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My experience is usually that the poem (rather than me) is quite obviously 
uncomfortable until I've managed to help it, or relax and allow it, to find 
its shape. As you say, Candice, it can require a long gestation.

joanna

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MC Ward" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: left margin


>I agree with Doug that the poem under construction is
> what determines the line breaks. The hard part of
> writing a poem, for me, is enabling it to find its
> shape. Until that happens, I feel physically
> uncomfortable and doubtful that there's a shape there.
> Sometimes there is, sometimes there isn't, but I'm
> willing to give the poem every benefit of that doubt
> and often return to one that's many years old to see
> if it (or anything from it) is salvageable.
>
> I'd be interested to hear about others' process of
> composition.
>
> Candice
>
> . . . [H]ow could you come down
> with stockholm syndrome all alone?
>
>
>
> --- Chris Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Doug, many thanks, it does address what I wrote very
>> well.
>>
>> the opposition could be seen as a convenient
>> fiction, traditionally a
>> basic trick with metaphysics, although I can
>> understand the difficulty
>> in understanding since I was using a very high level
>> of abstraction,
>> trying to get rid of figures so that there are only
>> pure forces and the
>> figures then come after or can be plugged in to the
>> metaphysical
>> abstract in different ways sort of like abstract
>> painting.
>>
>> On Fri, 2007-02-16 at 10:28 -0700, Douglas Barbour
>> wrote:
>> > Sorry Chris, But I have to say I probably don't
>> really understand all
>> > you were saying here. But, in a larger sense,
>> yeah, sure, 'poetry' can
>> > be all. Where I may disagree is in this idea that
>> the subject-writer
>> > controls the choice of line breaks, when some
>> might argue that the poem
>> > under construction does that. I'm thinking also
>> music, that aspect of
>> > (some, not all?) poetry, where those silences
>> alluded to through
>> > reference to Miles Davis, tend to have something
>> to do with spacing &
>> > line breaks.
>> >
>> > I admit, although I admire prose poems, & poetic
>> prose, I tend still to
>> > play the page & the line, but not as fully
>> controlling subject.
>> >
>> > (of course, I may not be responding to what you
>> said at all...)
>> >
>> > Anyway not opposed but just traveling different
>> paths...?
>>
>
>
>
>
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