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Patrick, > masters level thesis. > My personal belief is the?> paper can/should be at?> the 10,000-20,000 word level Since you're talking about an MFA, I'm not sure how you can consider the written component in a vacuum. An MFA curriculum does not lead specifically to a piece of research writing and certainly should not concentrate on that as the primary outcome. Since it is a studio degree, how does this writing mesh with the production of graphic design? I'm inferring that a desire for greater intellectual content and more rigorous consideration of design is behind your question (and I support that) but I wonder why a studio degree should be shoehorned into academic assumptions better fit for other sorts of practice. If design research is not the central point of the degree like it would be for a PhD, why a model of production divorced from the major curriculum and from the practice that is the nature of the degree? Gunnar ps: Do you think of the MDes degree as different from an MFA in some fundamental way or do you think the difference is just in a design school vs. an art school offering the degree? ---------- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 1910 East 6th Street Greenville, North Carolina 27858 USA [log in to unmask] +1 252 258 7006 http://www.gunnarswanson.com at East Carolina University: [log in to unmask] +1 252 328 2839