Hi,
I'd already done my SRN training at the Naval Hospital RNH Haslar in Gosport over 3 years before the Falklands crisis started. At the time, we had military hospitals all over the place, but the occupancy of them tended to be nearly 90% in favour of civilians. that's where we got our experience from and of course we had the added experiences of being drafted (posted) worldwide.
I'm not really now in favour of specific military hospitals nowadays. A&E depts are well versed now with multiple casualties because of the nature of modern life. Disasters, whilst not commonplace add valued experience to the portfolios of A& staff and in my opinion, there are no worries about treating servicemen in "civilian" hospitals.
I'm not sure if this really is an OH issue but it could develop into an interesting debate with all sorts of strands.
But let me put something to the list. there is one thing that service life taught me. Adaptability. in terms of my nursing career, that experience enabled me, once I left the Navy to do some really interesting (maybe odd) things with my career that I don't think I could have done if I had trained in a civilian hospital....such as...:
mass vaccinations in the Moroccan desert, testing water supplies in Beirut, mountain rescue in Innsbruck, investigation into dermatitis on a French vineyard...mmmm and so on. I am pretty sure you Army, RAF and TA folk feel the same but I for one would love to know just how varied service medical experience really is and how it has helped them develop in OH.
James Beresford
Brunel University
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From: [log in to unmask] on behalf of Bella Lloyd
Sent: Tue 20/02/2007 19:04
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] The Army, navy and Air Force
Hi,
I was based in Aldershot, still training,(QARANC) we received most of the Paras returning from Falklands, along with Gurkhas and Guardsmen. Presenting with gunshot wounds, Trenchfoot, shrapnel injuries and terrible burns suffered by the Guardsmen. My memories then were these men/boys were only a little older if not the same age as me (I was 20) all had injuries, physical and/or mental. I guess its the same now. In my opinion, it definatley helped that they were able to come back to a Military hospital dedicated to treating service personnel and were amongst other recovering servicemen. I understand this isnt the case now. Apologies if this isnt in any way related to Occ Health, or perhaps it is. In as much as the services is regarded not as a job but a way of life, paid 24/7. So the environment, care and rehabilitation of a member would be considered particularly important? Perhaps a discussion for another forum.
regards
Bella Lloyd
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> From: Caroline Russell <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 2007/02/20 Tue AM 11:11:45 GMT
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] The Army, navy and Air Force
>
>
> Well said James, Service banter is what makes us so great at what we do. I spent 22yrs in the Army (woman and girl!!) and the thing I miss more than anything else is the banter, I've yet to find anything to rival it. Trust me I never had a problem with being called a pongo!!
> Caroline Russell ARRC RGN Bsc (Hons)
> OHN(SP)
>
> > Message Received: Feb 19 2007, 11:34 AM
> > From: "anita stephenson"
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Cc:
> > Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] The Army, navy and Air Force
> >
> > WHATO MR BERESFORD...WHATO!!
> > X
> >
> >
> > >From: James Beresford
> > >Reply-To: Occupational Health mailing list
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] The Army, navy and Air Force
> > >Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 22:00:39 -0000
> > >
> > >Anita,
> > >
> > >lololol. The funniest "battle" I had in my time, was when nearly 99% of the
> > >Paras who sailed on HMS Intrepid (my ship) fell foul of the dreaded
> > >seasickness when we took them to the Falklands in 1982. Real hardened (and
> > >they are) Paras cursed by the sea and nowhere to escape. But I put my life
> > >in their hands shoreside (which is their domain) when needed.
> > >
> > >just banter..and they gave us sailors just as hard a time, until the
> > >professionalism takes over, when it's needed.
> > >
> > >I note there are none of our sideways walking friends on here.......???
> > >lololol. For those that don't know, I'm referring to the RAF and their
> > >nickname is a shelled creature often found in rockpools, 4 letters, when
> > >cooked, found in tins, beginning with the letter c.
> > >
> > >Just banter. No war. we don't deliberately fight each other....just
> > >banter...
> > >
> > >James
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >________________________________
> > >
> > >From: [log in to unmask] on behalf of anita stephenson
> > >Sent: Sat 17/02/2007 18:02
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] The Army, navy and Air Force
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >HOORAH TO YOU JAMES!!!
> > >
> > >My other half being an ex "1 Para" sgt has ben rather interested in this
> > >"battle" ....always the way that the people who've had the least "ground
> > >level" experience in any given situation always claim to know the
> > >most!!...Hay Ho!!
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: James Beresford
> > > >Reply-To: Occupational Health mailing list
> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] The Army, navy and Air Force
> > > >Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:59:22 -0000
> > > >
> > > >Greta,
> > > >
> > > >For goodness sake, we're having inter-service fun. As a former serviceman
> > > >myself, I have plenty of hands-on experience of the rivalvry all
> > >servicemen
> > > >and women shared.
> > > >
> > > >Do not have a go at me. I served my country in hostile conditions, full
> > > >time for over 12 years.
> > > >
> > > >Pongoes, matelots and crabs..so what? its just fun and if you cannot
> > >accept
> > > >that, I wonder which service you have been in because service folk have
> > > >bantered for as long as they have exisited.
> > > >
> > > >James
> > > >
> > > >________________________________
> > > >
> > > >From: [log in to unmask] on behalf of Greta Thornbory
> > > >Sent: Fri 16/02/2007 15:16
> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] The Army
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >And those 'PONG GOES' make up 25% of the UK troops on active service
> > >today!
> > > >Whether you agree with this or not these are men and women are serving
> > > >their country and deserve the best and most up-to-date health care
> > > >possible.
> > > >
> > > >I, for one, would appreciate it if you did not insult people who are
> > > >prepared to serve their country under difficult and hostile conditions.
> > > >
> > > >Greta
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: James Beresford
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 3:06 PM
> > > > Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] The Army
> > > >
> > > > I won't make any comment about these two Frank....apart from
> > > > part-timers in the army..where the pong-goes.....
> > > >
> > > > :-)
> > > >
> > > > James
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
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> > > > Behalf Of Frank Oakes
> > > > Sent: 16 February 2007 14:18
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
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> > > > I can just picture you two on camp together. Which one is Captain
> > > > Mannering and Sergeant Wilson???
> > > >
> > > > I would have just been that 'stupid boy'
> > > >
> > > > Frank
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > We crusty old Majors' need to ensure that you young whippersnapper
> > > > Captains'
> > > > know your place...........
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> > > > Nice to get a response from the OLD & Bold!
> > > >
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