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Glad to know it's not just me, then (seem to have stirred things up a bit).... I'd love to come but also cannot make the date. Would like to receive summary of outcomes if possible, Harry? __ Regards Mark Mark Gamble Head of Learning Technology University of Bedfordshire Tel (+44)1582 489260 Fax (+44)1582 489259 Mob 077 200 686 05 Mobex 6360 Int ext 2260 [log in to unmask] >>> [log in to unmask] 21/02/2007 13:40 >>> Hello, I agree with Arthur. Hot on the heels of Nice I would be struggling to get the OK for this. On the other hand we are having terrible time using Blackboard (Academic Suite) for on-line assessment. The main complaint is from staff that used WebCT for 3 years and find that they don't have the same functionality. This is a major headache on a number of issues which I am quite willing to communicate to interested parties. Regards John John Pritchard VLE Applications UICS - University Information & Computing Services Heriot Watt University Riccarton, Edinburgh, EH14 4AS Tel: 0131 451 4363 Fax: 0131 451 3261 -----Original Message----- From: Blackboard/Courseinfo userslist [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Arthur Loughran Sent: 21 February 2007 13:30 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Online assessment using Blackboard Hi, Great idea. Is it possible though to use video conferencing for the meeting and hence save the travel costs and more importantly time away from task? Video conferencing might also make it easier for attendees to be less worried about the focus and allow us to have a more flexible agenda. best, Arthur >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Arthur J. Loughran Senior Lecturer Centre for Academic and Professional Development (CAPD) University of Paisley Paisley PA1 2BE tele: +44-(0)141-848-3558 fax: +44-(0)141-848-3822 email: [log in to unmask] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Richard Parsons <[log in to unmask]> 21/02/2007 1:07:24 pm >>> Yes, I have the same query, as we would like to commit someone from Dundee to attend, but this may depend on the discussions. The overall idea is very sound, as we all be facing similar issues. I think the main content item to resolve is the interpretation of "online assessment" in a narrower or broader sense. Narrow (or focused) = Bb online assessment tool, question types, question banks and tools, academic staff engagement, alternative approaches, interoperability, usage, security, summative assessment practices etc. Broad = online assessment including many formative and summative activities, many emerging, - self, peer, online submission, plagiarism checks, discussion board postings assessment, group-work evaluation, portfolios, etc. My opinion on what is useful to discuss at a meeting would be some the focused, and (mostly) some of the broad issues. In Dundee, we are generally comfortable with the narrow or focused issues at present, but we expect the broader items to undergo further substantial changes in the coming years. Richard Dr Richard Parsons Director of the Learning Centre [log in to unmask] Ph +44 (0) 1382 384265 >>> Sarah Connor <[log in to unmask]> 21/02/2007 11:27 >>> I was wondering if you could give us some idea as to the intended type of content...............thanks Sarah Connor Senior Lecturer / Adult Nursing Faculty of Health and Social Care Sciences School of Nursing Kingston Hill Surrey KT2 7LB Tel 0208-547-8708 ----- Original Message ----- From: Harry Temmink <[log in to unmask]> Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:29 pm Subject: Re: Online assessment using Blackboard To: [log in to unmask] > Dear Colleagues > Following a discussion trend in JISC Blackboard user group, about > ComputerAided Assessment and VLE's (Bb), I suggested that > Westminster might host a > working lunch/ reasonably informal session on above subject. A > platform if > you will, where we might fruitfully have an exchange of ideas and > workingpractices. > > I am delighted to have been told by our Director of On-Line > Learning, Prof > Gunter Saunders, that he would be delighted to host such an event. > > Can I therefore extend an invite to the first 20-25 colleagues > responding to > this invitation, to join us here at the University of Westminster on > Wednesday 18th of April at say 12:30 for 1pm. > I imagine the session lasting till about 4:30pm. > Buffet type lunch and tea/ coffee later on will be provided by us. > Looking forward to hearing from you soon > > The Marylebone Campus is sooooo easy to find in London:- we are > oppositeBaker Street tube station and immediately opposite Madame > Tussaud's.... > > RSVP to [log in to unmask] > > > Kindest regards > Harry Temmink > > > H J Temmink > School Senior Tutor > Westminster Business School > University of Westminster > 35 Marylebone Rd, London, NW1 5LS > > This email, its contents and attachments are confidential and it > should be > assumed that they are legally privileged. 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Willingness to > communicate by e- mail > conveys an acceptance of the risks inherent in the system. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: 10 February 2007 17:31 > To: [log in to unmask]; Bernadette Hilditch > Subject: RE: Online assessment using Blackboard > > Hi > > I'm a Learning Technology Adviser at the University of Brighton > and am > responsible for supporting schools on our Eastbourne Campus. > > Quite a number of our sport science lecturers are using Bb for online > assessments and, in general get on quite well with it i think. > > Recently though, I became aware of the annoying scoring system > employedin the Multiple Answer questions where the 'partial > credit' option seems > to promise the ability to allocate a score of say, 2 out of 5 if a > student successfully identifies 2 of 3 possible correct answers. > However, these question types use a negative scoring system which > isn'tat all helpful to the overall result. > > Anyway, that aside, i'd be very interested in having copies of your > papers and student instructions and also if you have any advice on the > best way to download the results to Excel. In my experience, the data > needs a lot of tidying up once it's downloaded - I would be very > greatful for any advice on the quickest and easiest way to do > this. At > the moment I use Find ( <*> ) and Replace to clean up the html > tags but > haven't discovered a quick way to delete all those unwanted columns. > > Any advice would be very much appreciated. > > With kind Regards > > Joyce Webber > Learning Technologies Adviser > University of Brighton > Eastbourne Campus > 01273 644112 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blackboard/Courseinfo userslist > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bernadette > Hilditch > Sent: 09 February 2007 16:29 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Online assessment using Blackboard > > ME TOO Harry - experience in enjoying making it work - and we are also > upbeat about it > I manage Blackboard here in College and have successfully trained > lecturers to use it > for online testing (both self assessment and final exams) across a > variety of subject areas. > Bernadette Hilditch > St Helens College > Curriculum On-Line Co-ordinator > e-Learning Consultant (SAIITT) > > > ________________________________ > > From: Blackboard/Courseinfo userslist on behalf of > [log in to unmask] > Sent: Thu 2/8/2007 14:38 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Online assessment using Blackboard > > > > My experience at the Westminster Business School, is luckily far more > up-beat > than Mark's comments > I have for the last 2.5 years run exams in Excel applications > using Bb > with > student numbers of around 350 - 400 at the same time! > I would not want to go back to mannually marking all those > spreadsheets!If anyone is interested, I can let them have either > papers on the > subject or > instructions we give to students before each exam. > > There are plenty of critisisms of Bb and it's handling exam software, > but I have > experience in making it work! > Kind Regatrds > Harry Temmink > Principal Lecturer & > School Senior Tutor > Westminster Business School > University of Westminster > 35 Marylebone Road > London NW1 5LS > > > > Quoting Mark Gamble <[log in to unmask]>: > > > We do lots of high stakes CBE and wouldn't dream of using Bb. It's > > important that CB exams are as robust as possible and anything else > > takiing place on the same sytsem at the same time as a high stakes > exam > > is, imho, a recipe for disaster. For whoever proposed the idea, > suggest > > they consider the consequences of an exam lock-up when students are > 65% > > through exam time - and was thse system capturing answers > throughout?> What about server performance, too, if you have 100 > students taking an > > exam and some lecturer, in all innocence, starts a heavy-demand > activity > > on your Bb system (at the same time as a dozen others decide the > same> thing)? And of course, can you ensure security on a server > which is > > actually intended for all your students to access anyway? > > > > We use QMP and have 4 (yup, four) servers. Two, balanced, for the > exams, > > one for test and one for open-access low stakes and general > materials.> And I have to say, we still have problems: the > balanced pair went > > through a single switch - and, yes, it had to fail in the middle > of an > > exam. We live and learn..... I wouldn't say QuestionMark is entirely > > straightforward to implement, either....... > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards > > Mark > > > > Mark Gamble > > Head of Learning Technology > > University of Bedfordshire > > Tel (+44)1582 489260 Fax (+44)1582 489259 > > Mob 07720 068605 Int ext 2260 / 6360 (mobex) > > > > > > >>> [log in to unmask] 02/07/07 10:32 AM >>> > > Hi > > > > > > > > PCMD is eager to implement online high stakes assessment in the near > > future. As well as investigating the provision of QMP, I have been > > asked to consider the feasibility of using Blackboards built in > > assessment tools. Yes, that's what I thought....! :o$ > > > > > > > > If anyone does have any experience of using Blackboard for > really high > > stakes assessment, or has any advice on implementing this using > > alternative software, I'd be really grateful to hear your thoughts. > > > > > > > > Many thanks > > > > Tash > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > Natasha Harden > > > > Teaching, Learning & Assessment Systems Leader > > > > Peninsula College of Medicine & Dentistry > > > > Room C303, Portland Square > > > > Drake Circus, Plymouth > > > > PL4 8AA > > > > > > > > (01752) 238016 > > > > [log in to unmask] > > > > > > > > > H J Temmink > School Senior Tutor > Westminster Business School > University of Westminster > 35 Marylebone Road > London NW1 5LS > > This email, its contents and attachments are confidential and it > shouldbe > assumed that they are legally privileged. 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