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Dear Brian I have just had a further look at our figures and nearly 1000 FTEs will be excluded and 12% of the total will be missclassified. If The Guaridan are really wedded to the use of high level JACs codes perhaps they could at least take the data from the "Subject area of study" rather than the "Subject of qualification aim". This would not resolve all our issues as subjects like Complementary Therapies would still be excluded, but it would help resolve a lot of the missclassification and it would not involve any additional effort from the Guardian. Regards Anita -------------------------------------------- Anita Jackson Director of Planning University of Westminster 309 Regent Street London W1B 2UW Tel: 020 7911 5857 -------------------------------------------- This email and its attachments are intended for the above named only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must not copy or show them to anyone, nor should you take any action based on them, other than to notify the error by replying to the sender. -----Original Message----- From: Academic, financial or space planning in UK universities [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brian Oldham Sent: 06 February 2007 11:28 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Joint response to Guardian Dear All, The following is the text of an email I intend to send to Donald MaCleod. To date I have the following signatories: Liverpool, St. Andrews, Bristol, Westminster, QMC, Glasgow, Portsmouth, Brighton, Hertfordshire, Liverpool Hope, SOAS, Dundee, Reading, Teeside, KCL. Please let me know if you wish to be taken off the list; or alternatively if you wish to be added. I intend to send it off at 2.00pm tomorrow (Wed). If the Guardian fails to take this on board, I think we seriously need to consider asking for some form of health warning to be included prominently next to its tables. Best wishes, Brian The following universities strongly endorse the comments made by Judy Evans of the University of Brighton: "Not only is it perfectly possible to have JACS codes assigned to multiple academic cost centres, but there is no reason why HEIs should not avail themselves of the full range of JACS codes in existence when coding their provision for inclusion in the various HESA returns. Why you should decide to exclude some of these legitimate codes is unfathomable." Nor does the failure to correctly reflect academic activity only affect "small" subjects, as implied in your response to another member of the group. Preclinical medical and dental teaching, for example, is often carried out under a range of HESA cost centres, such as anatomy, pharmacology etc. Your method fails to take this into account. Does consultation mean consultation - or are you prepared to continue with a method that many find seriously flawed? -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-oo-o-o-o-o- Brian Oldham Management Data Analyst Finance Department King's College London Room 7.22 James Clerk Maxwell Building 57 Waterloo Road London SE1 8WA Tel: 020 7848 3850 Fax: 020 7848 3356