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Dear Brian, Please count SOAS in. Regards, Ali. Ali Hartrey Assistant Registrar (Head of Registry Systems) SOAS Tel: 020 7074 5085 E-mail: [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Academic, financial or space planning in UK universities [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brian Oldham Sent: 02 February 2007 12:29 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Getting ready for University Guide 2007 Dear All, Is this the Guardian's idea of consultation? Mind you, my comments haven't even been dignified with a response. Is it time to resurrect the Heinz Group? How about a round robin to Donald along the lines of: "We the undersigned find the Guardian's use of JACs codes to assign HESA cost centres to be seriously flawed, in that it fails to give a true picture of academic activity in many areas. We fail to understand why the Guardian cannot accept the allocation of Guardian subject groups to HESA cost centres by institutions. This would automatically overcome the problems of lining up student numbers with staff numbers and expenditure etc. Does consultation mean consultation - or are you prepared to continue with a method that many find unnacceptable?" No apologies for clogging up the group. Who's prepared to go along with this? Best wishes, Brian On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:10:19 -0000 Ali Hartrey <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > Like Judy, I got a response from the Guardian this morning. I started > posting my reactions to the list, but realised that I sounded like > someone from Grumpy Old Women, so went off to calm down first. > > I have asked Donald MacLeod how I am supposed to assign provision to > the Guardian subjects when they will not recognise the perfectly > legitimate JACS codes I am using - at the moment all of our > Development Studies provision will disappear! > > It seems ridiculous to me that the sector is being forced to fall into > line with the Guardian's faulty classification, rather than the > Guardian trying to produce a Universtity Guide which truely reflects UK HE. > > Regards, > > Ali Hartrey > Assistant Registrar > Head of Registry Systems > School of Oriental & African Studies > > tel: 020 7074 5085 > email: [log in to unmask] > > _____ > > From: Academic, financial or space planning in UK universities > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Judy Evans > Sent: 02 February 2007 10:43 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: FW: Getting ready for University Guide 2007 > > > Dear Colleagues, > > The Guardian have finally responded (but only in part) to my earlier > queries. Note their response below. > > Should we, as a sector, be concerned that the Guardian are unable to: > > * > > grasp the way in which institutions work, and the relationship (or > not) between JACS codes and academic cost centres; > * > > include all JACS codes in their analysis, and therefore include all > students in their analysis > > Best wishes and in despair, > > Judy > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Judy Evans > Senior Assistant Registrar (Student Administration and Systems) > University of Brighton Cockcroft Building Lewes Road Brighton > BN2 4GJ > > tel: 01273 642812 > fax: 01273 642922 > > email: [log in to unmask] > > > _____ > > From: [log in to unmask] > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: 01 February 2007 17:45 > To: Evans Judy > Subject: Fw: Getting ready for University Guide 2007 > > > > Dear Judy Evans > > > Let me apologise for any lack of clarity in our request for > information for the Guardian university guide tables and ask you to > answer the points below > - I hope this is the last time we will have to bother you. > > As in previous years please use only one Cost Centre per Guardian subject. > We only use principal JACS, not sub-JACS. JACS which we are not using > (and do not appear on the spreadsheet) are listed below. These students will not > be counted in the tables. > > I would be grateful if you could return this to me by Tuesday > (February 6) so we can get the ball rolling with HESA. Thank you for > your cooperation > > ===================== > Donald MacLeod > editor EducationGuardian.co.uk > and SocietyGuardian.co.uk > 020 7239 9913 > ----- Forwarded by Donald MacLeod/Guardian/GNL on 01/02/07 17:43 ----- > > "Lorna Lines" <[log in to unmask]> > > > 01/02/07 14:01 > > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > cc: "Julie Whittaker" <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: FW: Getting ready for University Guide 2007 > > > > Review of Cost Centre Submission: University of Brighton > > > > While conducting the necessary quality checks on the cost centre > consultation file for University of Brighton the following > observations have been made: > > > > 1 Cost Centre 41 is not used by the Guardian Tables. Please review/adjust. > > > > 2 Only Principal Subject JACS are used when creating Guardian > Subjects. We have created an updated file (attached) for Brighton > using only the principal JACS (column D), presented alongside the > originally submitted JACS (column C) for you to review/adjust as appropriate. > > > > 3 Multiple cost centres assigned to Guardian Subjects. Note that a > single cost centre should be assigned to a single Guardian Subject. > Please review/adjust. > > > > 4 JACS codes NOT used in the Guardian Tables are: A0, A9, B0, B3, F0, > F9, H0, J7, J9, L0, L9, N7, Q2, Q4, Q5, Q9, V0, V9, W8, X2, Y0. Please > use only those available from the drop down lists. > > > > > > General Statements/Guidance (applicable to all HEIs): > > > > a Only Principal Subject JACS are used when creating Guardian Subjects. > > > > b Only one cost centre should be assigned to a Guardian Subject > > > > c JACS codes NOT used in the Guardian Tables are: A0, A9, B0, B3, F0, > F9, H0, J7, J9, L0, L9, N7, Q2, Q4, Q5, Q9, V0, V9, W8, X2, Y0. > > > > d A valid JACS code can only appear in one Guardian Subject. > > > ________________________________ > > From: [log in to unmask] > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Fri 19/01/2007 16:23 > To: Rosa Scoble; Lorna Lines > Subject: Fw: Getting ready for University Guide 2007 > > > > ===================== > Donald MacLeod > editor EducationGuardian.co.uk > and SocietyGuardian.co.uk > 020 7239 9913 > ----- Forwarded by Donald MacLeod/Guardian/GNL on 19/01/07 16:23 ----- > > [log in to unmask] > > 19/01/07 15:08 > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>, <[log in to unmask]>, > <[log in to unmask]>, > <[log in to unmask]>, > <[log in to unmask]> > cc: > Subject: Getting ready for University Guide 2007 > > > > > Dear All, > > Please find attached the University of Brighton's response to your > consultation. As the original email address quoted in the Guardian > failed, apologies for the saturation posting which is purely to ensure delivery. > > <<Guideconsultation 2007 University of Brighton Response.xls>> Best > wishes, > > Judy > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Judy Evans > Senior Assistant Registrar (Student Administration and Systems) > University of Brighton Cockcroft Building Lewes Road Brighton > BN2 4GJ > > tel: 01273 642812 > fax: 01273 642922 > > email: [log in to unmask] > > -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-oo-o-o-o-o- Brian Oldham Management Data Analyst Finance Department King's College London Room 7.22 James Clerk Maxwell Building 57 Waterloo Road London SE1 8WA Tel: 020 7848 3850 Fax: 020 7848 3356