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Hi Philipp,

thank you for your comments, and sorry for being unclear about the 
processing stream. Actually, I do NOT perform any segmentation before 
normalisation (it is just a *_sn.mat file, not a *_seg_sn.mat file), since 
I am analyzing data from small rodents, for which I do not have tissue 
probability maps (and no experience so far as to which tissue types would 
be suitable for segmentation, anyway).

So -- are there any other ideas?

Thanks again,

Andreas


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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:47:53 +0100, Saemann Philipp 
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Hello Andreas,
>
>I do not know if this effects would appeaar if you use the combined
>segmentation/normalisation routine from SPM5 (which gives you *seg_sn.mat
>files).
>It was not entirely clear from your mail how you have gained the *sn.mat
>files (i. e from
>the segmentation or the normalisation routine).
>
>If it is *seg_sn.mat" files you may try the VBM toolbox function "write
>segmentation only",
>which is the equivalent to "write only" of earlier SPM versions or the SPM5
>normalize function.
>
>Download from:
>
>http://dbm.neuro.uni-jena.de/vbm
>
>However, programmers may have additional ideas on your question.
>
>best regards,
>Philipp
>
>
>Max-Planck-Institute of Psychiatry
>NMR Research Group
>Kraepelinsr. 2-10
>80804 Munich
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>Phone: 0049-89-30622-413
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:22:45 +0000, Andreas Bruns <[log in to unmask]> 
wrote:

>Dear SPMers,
>
>applying a *_sn.mat file to an image involves explicit resampling by means
>of the "Normalise: Write" option or the "Deformations" utility. When using
>nan(1,3) for the voxel size and nan(2,3) for the bounding box, the
>dimensions of the template image are used, BUT with a slight tolerance, so
>that in general, there is no exact one-to-one (voxel-by-voxel) mapping
>between the template and the normalised image. Instead, I repeatedly
>obtained a 1-voxel discrepancy in image size and/or a half-voxel offset
>between the images in one or more direction(s).
>
>Certainly, these differences are well accounted for by the information in
>the header file, so that the images are correctly co-registered. Still, if 
I
>want to have perfect spatial correspondence between the images, I need an
>additional resampling step for the normalised image by means of, e.g., the
>"ImCalc" feature. This requires about twice as much time and disk space, 
and
>(what is worse) it introduces more smoothing due to the additional
>interpolation step.
>
>Is there a way to avoid the double resampling and directly tell the
>"Normalise: Write" or "Deformation" (or any other) module(s) to use not 
only
>the same voxel size and bounding box as in the template (or even better: in
>any arbitrary) image, but even the very same voxel positions and image
>dimensions?
>
>Thank you very much in advance,
>
>Andreas
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