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Agree entirely. I defy anyone to read the first few lines of "Frost at Midnight" and not know they are in the grip of a prescient mind. -----Original Message----- From: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alison Croggon Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 8:40 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Dipodic is...? (Re: is dipodic a no-no? ) I don't understand this kind of generalised putdown. Coleridge is for my money one of the most delightfully inventive of poets. Kipling and even Tennyson (of whom I remain fond) have their moments too. Whatever the problems with him, Kipling could write a storm - read Said or Borges on his short stories. All poetry, no matter what shape it is, presents a formal problem; what counts is what the poet does with it. And back in the day, the language wasn't archaic. Just reading an enormous tome on Dante which reminds you that in 1290 just writing literature in Italian was totally radical. Milton's blank verse was the leading edge of its time - his introduction to Paradise Lost is aggressively brusque. Wordsworth and Coleridge brought "ordinary" language into poetry. Etc. For me, these people still hold that initial freshness, though you might have to scrape away a few barnacles of perception to see it. Cultures always need to neuter their artists so that, like good pets, they don't have troublesome offspring. All the best A On 1/24/07, Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > What a weird quartet. I used to think the way you say you do in that > note, Kasper, but have changed somewhat. I mean, I can really admire a > lot of the poetry of at least the last two, without ever wanting to try > the same thing. I suspect a lot of modern writers feel the same way > about the great writers of the past. > > Doug > On 22-Jan-07, at 7:05 PM, kasper salonen wrote: > > > Kipling/Tennyson/Coleridge/Browning > Douglas Barbour > 11655 - 72 Avenue NW > Edmonton Ab T6G 0B9 > (780) 436 3320 > http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/ > > Latest book: Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy) > http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664 > > > the words come down on > the white page a dream of snow > > at mid-Atlantic. > > Wayne Clifford > -- Editor, Masthead: http://www.masthead.net.au Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com ============================================================================== The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments ==============================================================================