Sorry - I was too quick to get into the debate Should have said that consent would sort the First Principle not the whole of the Data Protection Act. Clearly, if a data subject consents, you don't get rid of security obligations. Also, consent does not mean you can disclose excessive personal data. SEE CAPS BELOW FOR CORRECTION C -----Original Message----- From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of POUNDER Chris Sent: 15 January 2007 11:00 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [data-protection] Information Sharing and the ID Card database? The issue re Mr. Hutton's plans is whether the "sharing" is by consent of the data subject or via statutory power. If it's consent, there is no data protection ISSUE UNDER THE FIRST PRINCIPLE or human rights issue. The Government in its Vision Statement argued that sharing was in the "public interest" (this implies statutory powers to legitimise the sharing). In addition, the term "necessary in the public interest" is a term identified in the ID Card Act(S.42) and this explicitly refers to the purpose of "securing the efficient and effective provision of public services" (S.1(4) of the ID Card Act). It seems to me that the ID Card database is likely to be the hub database for the sharing exchange - just a thought. C -----Original Message----- From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: 14 January 2007 12:35 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [data-protection] More Information Sharing It points to this earlier from September 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5342718.stm "Wider use of private data planned Sensitive personal information would be passed between Whitehall departments under new government plans." Today's news provides the following observation from the Works and Pensions Secretary: "The review team, headed by Work and Pensions Secretary John Hutton, has concluded that it is difficult for services to be as flexible and light-footed as people want because of rules on data. The department cites an example of a family who had a total of 44 contacts with government over 180 days trying to make the necessary arrangements after a family member died in a road accident. Too often, says the review team, it may be legally forbidden to use information other than for a single purpose." Of course, the very same people might then complain about a different instance where information is passed between departments. This would seem to unpick all the work that is being done within the NHS to assure people that their data is safe with us. Because this is the reason that is given for the Spine and it would add to people's concerns that easier access to data would override their confidentiality. It is between a rock and a hard place. Nick Landau ----- Original Message ----- From: Ibrahim Hasan To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:48 AM Subject: [data-protection] More Information Sharing Colleagues According to the BBC today: A giant database of people's personal details could be created at Whitehall under government plans which ministers say will help improve public services. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6260153.stm Somebody on this forum once quoted Lord Browne Wilkinson in the case of Marcel v Metropolitan Police Commissioner: ""...If the information obtained by the police, the Inland Revenue, the social security offices, the health service and other agencies were to be gathered together in one file, the freedom of the individual would be gravely at risk. .The dossier of private information is the badge of the totalitarian state." As my kids would say on a long journey. "Are we there yet?" 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