Hi Robin Whilst the statistics you provide may be accurate, I am not aware of any formula for calculating the correct interpretation of the figures. Science alone cannot make claim to such an authority, for we are all now part of the experiment, scientist or not. This subject is akin to a debate begun on this forum previously, but never completed, about when does an event become evidence of something other than itself, and for how long it is correct to keep viewing each record breaking episode as an atypical freak occurrence which cannot be taken as proof of climate change. At some point an event will occur which is entirely attributable to climate change (if it hasn't done already). But the burden of proof imposed by science is so impossible to satisfy, that we'll never know when it has happened. At least, we won't know by the empirical method. So, in respect of this issue at least, I am going to rely on my experiences as a human being in the south-east of England - such knowledge seems more useful and trustworthy than anything science is telling me. And on that basis, I say every day I wake up to weather which is a manifestation of a warming climate. Best Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Re: 72 degrees in New York! one should be cautious in jumping to conclusions without a broader analysis of the temperature records. With only a short search, I found this statement on the weather site: Accuweather.com " New York City normally experiences a high of 38° on January 6; on Saturday, the temperature peaked at 72 degrees, shattering the previous daily record high of 63° from 1950 and tying the all-time high temperature from the month of January, last set on January 26, 1950. " ... and looking forward and backward in the historical temperature records for this week, you can quickly find several days with high temperatures in the high 60's for NYCity. robin -----Original Message----- >something grotesque for you to chew on....I have just been speaking to a >good friend in New York. The temperature there yesterday was 72 degrees F. > >The papers are apparently putting it down to an El Nino effect.... and