I don’t want anyone to feel disheartened by my previous post. After your productive weekend E.A., you will be loved by everyone in your department when they come to fill out their forms! This process may also get easier over the years, as definitions are refined and libraries created.

 

 

Graham

 

Clinical Science Trainee (Part 1)

Department of Medical Physics and Bioengineering

St Georges Hospital

 

 


From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan
Sent: 28 January 2007 18:51
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: KSF for Assistive Technologists

 

As a speech and language therapist in the world of AT - I have just been struggling with my G1 LD or Core 2 PP Level 2-4 links between HPC, KSF and CPD all Sunday afternoon - it is Alphabet soup and yet we have to comply to remain in the Health Professional Council (HPC) and as Members of the Royal College of SLT.  I could not agree more with what Graham said as I fear all my work will lie in some file for 7 years.

 

However, I have to admit the RCSLT have a brilliant website for our CPD in an on-line diary and they have supplied a toolkit that I am sure they would be willing to share with you. http://www.rcslt.org

 

Good luck

Best Wishes E.A.

Mrs E.A. Draffan
Assistive Technologist
Mobile: 07976 289103
http://www.emptech.info/

 

 


From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Geoff Harbach
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 2:14 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: KSF for Assistive Technologists

Thanks both.

 

I had already been on the skills for health web site and it is very good. But, I feel I am going to have to spend quite some time looking through the individual competencies to find the ones that are applicable to me.

 

And rather than just tick off the ones I need for my present post, perhaps I should be preparing a profile that covers my whole skill set - to put in front of someone's nose when I apply for other posts.

 

Thanks again,

 

Geoff.

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 26/01/2007 21:27:29 GMT Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:

Geoff,

 

This type of scheme, the KSF frameworks, was explained to me by a person who implements these types of things. I hope I’m not teaching you to suck eggs here, but this is my humble view: KSFs apply to all industries (don’t feel picked on) - medical, defence, commerce, industrial, it’s a management style. Senior management style has had to change over the last few decades as companies have got much bigger, more multinational. As we know in the NHS, the lines of communication between the ‘top’ and ‘bottom’ spheres of existence are increasingly impeded and obscured for various reasons. So as an MD (the legal buck stops with you), what can you do to control your company to such a fine extent that you can sleep safely with the knowledge that your product or service meets and exceeds the applicable International standards? You have 50,000 employees working in five continents. Not even Tony Blair in his cabinet centric days could sit on team that wide spread to the detail we read about in KSFs.

 

So, departments become semi-autonomous and KSF templates are spread around in an effort to pin down precise activities, scopes, responsibilities etc. They are akin, in legal detail, to a technical specification .. a human resource specification. I was asked to manage a KSF system for a Prison and quickly found that the idea is being spread across industries that probably don’t need this sort of scheme. In your case - you are at the top of your tree, so what point is there for you to do it? I’d say to you: How much space do you have to write in the boxes? How much detail do you feel compelled to write? In the Prison some forms came back to me packed with detail, others were scribbled in crayon .. we filed away each form never to be seen until the next review and a big box was ticked on the annual site review form. I can’t say what it is like for the NHS, but in some industries it does make a lot of difference and it does make some peoples lives a lot easier somewhere in the system. To us though it’s a case of taking a crude template and stretching in a way that tells others what we do, when we’re all happy with the terminology.

 

In the future it’ll probably mean a lot more .. when robots employ us they can ask for people ‘with skill set 00112a’ or vice versa!

 

 

 

Graham Webb

 

Dept. of Medical Physics and Bioengineering

St Georges Hospital, London.

 

 


From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Panton Liz (RM6) Northgate & Prudhoe NHS Trust
Sent: 26 January 2007 17:37
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: KSF for Assistive Technologists

 

Hi Geoff,

 

FAST are doing some work on this:

http://www.fastuk.org/atforumactivities/workforcedevelopment.php

 

The other place where there is some directly relevant info (and rather more nick from other professions) is here:

 

http://www.skillsforhealth.org.uk/

 

The Skills For Health site includes an online tool for mapping KSF to Skills For Health competencies.  I have found that an easier way around to match them up than starting from the KSF end of things.

 

Best wishes,

 

Liz Panton

Head of Service

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-----Original Message-----
From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Geoff Harbach
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 5:13 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: KSF for Assistive Technologists

 

Dear All.

 

I am trying to get my head round this whole business of the KSF competencies.

 

Is anyone working on one for Assistive Technologists, because it seems to me that we need an unusual mix of skills in order to do what we do. This being medical and technical skills along with clinical skills such as assessment for EC and AAC equipment, let alone weird and wonderful solutions for new and difficult problems.

 

Throw in postural management, IT, computer and SLT skills, and none of the existing competency sets seem to be completely applicable.

 

And when you have got a profile, what do you do with it, do you just go around documenting and justifying all the things you have been doing for years anyway - can't quite see the point in it.

 

There is no position where I am, higher than the one I have got now to move up to, so what would I be working towards? Can I go up a pay band on the basis of advanced competencies earned?

 

I am perplexed !!

 

What do people think?

 

Geoff Harbach

Clinical Technologist

WMRC

 

 

 

 

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