HI Crispin et al,

 

We won’t have anything before March and I think that to get users to rejig/fanny around with something that’s working for them, albeit with lacking terms, may cause unnecessary work for all concerned.

 

What I would suggest to all HBSMR users, and of course anyone else out there, is to let us know what candidate terms you’ve added into object materials so we can make sure they’re included in the new thesaurus.

 

We basically going to combine the main building materials, covering materials and object materials together along with a smattering of terms form the BM Materials thesaurus (ie. we’ll take the top terms such as SKIN, FEATHER etc. without going down to species level - so no BIRD OF PARADISE FEATHER or DONKEY DUNG!)

 

If anyone thinks this could make the current situation worse please let us know. It’s pointless us creating a thesaurus which the community consensus is that you don’t need it.

 

Phil

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Crispin Flower
Sent: 14 November 2006 15:40
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Subject: Re: Roman tiles!!!

 

Hi Phil

Until such time as the materials thesaurus is sorted out, should we advise HBSMR users to convert their object recording to use the 'main materials' thesaurus? 

HBSMR lets people re-wire parts of the recording system to use different thesaurus classes when you upgrade from one thesaurus release to the next, and re-code terms etc where necessary - but I wouldn't want to advise this if the materials thesaurus will be sorted out soon.

From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of CARLISLE, Phil
Sent: 14 November 2006 15:01
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Roman tiles!!!

Hi Helen,

I’ve worked out what the problem is. I assume you’re using HBSMR. We, EH, use ‘main materials’ and ‘covering materials’ thesauri and CERAMIC is in both.

Although we supply Object Material we don’t actually use it and it’s very old, ie. it predates anyone currently working for DSU.

 

No problem with TILE or ROMAN, just with ROMAN TILE. I think what you’re trying to record is a TILE dating to the ROMAN period as opposed to a ROMAN TILE

 

See http://thesaurus.english-heritage.org.uk/thesaurus_term.asp?thes_no=129&term_no=98157

 

Hope this makes it slightly clearer.

 

We are in the process of revisiting our materials thesauri and looking at amalgamating terms from the BM materials thesaurus but it’ll be a while before we can make it available.

 

Phil

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen Wells
Sent: 13 November 2006 10:31
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Subject: Re: Roman tiles!!!

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of CARLISLE, Phil
Sent: 10 November 2006 16:48
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Subject: Re: Roman tiles!!!

Hi Helen

It all depends on what you’re actually trying to do. If you’re trying to record a tile which is dated to the Roman period then I’d suggest you record it as TILE (object type), CERAMIC (material type) ROMAN period.

 

If however you’re attempting to classify it as a type of tile then that’s a whole different kettle of worms which makes me want to run away and lock myself in a darkened room before the voices come back and start telling me the difference between classification and indexing.

 

Please help me! Keep the voices quiet! I’ll be good honest.

 

Phil

 

 

Phil Carlisle

Data Standards Supervisor

English Heritage

National Monuments Record Centre

Kemble Drive

Swindon

SN2 2GZ

+44 (0)1793 414824

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen Wells
Sent: 10 November 2006 15:59
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Roman tiles!!!

 

Hello,

Since everyone's very talkative, I wondered if anyone could help me...

When you put a Roman tile onto the HER, what do you use for material type?  Clay?  Pottery?  Something else?

Just wondering..!

Helen Wells
Assistant Planning Archaeologist/Historic Environment Record Officer
Leicestershire County Council
http://www.leics.gov.uk/historic_natural_environment_archaeology

 

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