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Hi Helen,
I’ve worked out what the problem is. I assume you’re using HBSMR. We, EH, use ‘main materials’ and ‘covering materials’ thesauri and CERAMIC is in both.
Although we supply Object Material we don’t actually use it and it’s very old, ie. it predates anyone currently working for DSU.
No problem with TILE or ROMAN, just with ROMAN TILE. I think what you’re trying to record is a TILE dating to the ROMAN period as opposed to a ROMAN TILE
See http://thesaurus.english-heritage.org.uk/thesaurus_term.asp?thes_no=129&term_no=98157
Hope this makes it slightly clearer.
We are in the process of revisiting our materials thesauri and looking at amalgamating terms from the BM materials thesaurus but it’ll be a while before we can make it available.
Phil
Phil Carlisle
Data Standards Supervisor
English Heritage
National Monuments Record Centre
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On Behalf Of Helen
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Sent: 13 November 2006
10:31
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Subject: Re: Roman
tiles!!!
Thanks, I have put my piece of tile dating to the Roman period on as 'ceramic'. If we're supposed to use ceramic for things like that, why isn't it in the thesaurus? I created a candidate term, might go back and clear up the rather confused mess of tiles on as 'clay', 'pottery' or the very naughty material type 'none'..!
I'm slightly confused as to why it's bad to put a tile on as a tile, it's not like I know it was roofing material or anything. All I know is it's a tile and it is Roman...?
Helen
Wells
Assistant Planning
Archaeologist/Historic Environment Record Officer
Leicestershire County
Council
http://www.leics.gov.uk/historic_natural_environment_archaeology
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of CARLISLE, Phil
Sent: 10 November 2006 16:48
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Subject: Re: Roman tiles!!!Hi Helen
It all depends on what you’re actually trying to do. If you’re trying to record a tile which is dated to the Roman period then I’d suggest you record it as TILE (object type), CERAMIC (material type) ROMAN period.
If however you’re attempting to classify it as a type of tile then that’s a whole different kettle of worms which makes me want to run away and lock myself in a darkened room before the voices come back and start telling me the difference between classification and indexing.
Please help me! Keep the voices quiet! I’ll be good honest.
Phil
Phil Carlisle
Data Standards Supervisor
English Heritage
National Monuments Record Centre
Kemble Drive
Swindon
SN2 2GZ
+44 (0)1793 414824
http://thesaurus.english-heritage.org.uk/
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen Wells
Sent: 10 November 2006 15:59
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Roman tiles!!!
Hello,
Since everyone's very talkative, I wondered if anyone could help me...
When you put a Roman tile onto the HER, what do you use for material type? Clay? Pottery? Something else?
Just wondering..!
Helen Wells
Assistant Planning Archaeologist/Historic Environment Record Officer
Leicestershire County Council
http://www.leics.gov.uk/historic_natural_environment_archaeology
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