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Hi Phil Until such time as the materials thesaurus is sorted out, should we advise HBSMR users to convert their object recording to use the 'main materials' thesaurus? HBSMR lets people re-wire parts of the recording system to use different thesaurus classes when you upgrade from one thesaurus release to the next, and re-code terms etc where necessary - but I wouldn't want to advise this if the materials thesaurus will be sorted out soon. bw Crispin ________________________________ From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of CARLISLE, Phil Sent: 14 November 2006 15:01 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Roman tiles!!! Hi Helen, I've worked out what the problem is. I assume you're using HBSMR. We, EH, use 'main materials' and 'covering materials' thesauri and CERAMIC is in both. Although we supply Object Material we don't actually use it and it's very old, ie. it predates anyone currently working for DSU. No problem with TILE or ROMAN, just with ROMAN TILE. I think what you're trying to record is a TILE dating to the ROMAN period as opposed to a ROMAN TILE See http://thesaurus.english-heritage.org.uk/thesaurus_term.asp?thes_no=129& term_no=98157 Hope this makes it slightly clearer. We are in the process of revisiting our materials thesauri and looking at amalgamating terms from the BM materials thesaurus but it'll be a while before we can make it available. Phil Phil Carlisle Data Standards Supervisor English Heritage National Monuments Record Centre Kemble Drive Swindon SN2 2GZ +44 (0)1793 414824 http://thesaurus.english-heritage.org.uk/ The information contained within this e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. If you have received the e-mail in error, please inform the sender and delete it from your system. The contents of this e-mail must not be disclosed to anyone else or copied without the sender's consent. Any views and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of English Heritage. English Heritage will not take any responsibility for the views of the author. -----Original Message----- From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen Wells Sent: 13 November 2006 10:31 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Roman tiles!!! Thanks, I have put my piece of tile dating to the Roman period on as 'ceramic'. If we're supposed to use ceramic for things like that, why isn't it in the thesaurus? I created a candidate term, might go back and clear up the rather confused mess of tiles on as 'clay', 'pottery' or the very naughty material type 'none'..! I'm slightly confused as to why it's bad to put a tile on as a tile, it's not like I know it was roofing material or anything. All I know is it's a tile and it is Roman...? Helen Wells Assistant Planning Archaeologist/Historic Environment Record Officer Leicestershire County Council http://www.leics.gov.uk/historic_natural_environment_archaeology -----Original Message----- From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of CARLISLE, Phil Sent: 10 November 2006 16:48 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Roman tiles!!! Hi Helen It all depends on what you're actually trying to do. If you're trying to record a tile which is dated to the Roman period then I'd suggest you record it as TILE (object type), CERAMIC (material type) ROMAN period. If however you're attempting to classify it as a type of tile then that's a whole different kettle of worms which makes me want to run away and lock myself in a darkened room before the voices come back and start telling me the difference between classification and indexing. Please help me! Keep the voices quiet! I'll be good honest. Phil Phil Carlisle Data Standards Supervisor English Heritage National Monuments Record Centre Kemble Drive Swindon SN2 2GZ +44 (0)1793 414824 http://thesaurus.english-heritage.org.uk/ The information contained within this e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. If you have received the e-mail in error, please inform the sender and delete it from your system. The contents of this e-mail must not be disclosed to anyone else or copied without the sender's consent. Any views and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of English Heritage. English Heritage will not take any responsibility for the views of the author. -----Original Message----- From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen Wells Sent: 10 November 2006 15:59 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Roman tiles!!! Hello, Since everyone's very talkative, I wondered if anyone could help me... When you put a Roman tile onto the HER, what do you use for material type? Clay? Pottery? Something else? Just wondering..! Helen Wells Assistant Planning Archaeologist/Historic Environment Record Officer Leicestershire County Council http://www.leics.gov.uk/historic_natural_environment_archaeology _______________________________________________________________________ Leicestershire County Council - rated a 'four-star' council by the Audit Commission _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any reading, printing, storage, disclosure, copying or any other action taken in respect of this e-mail is prohibited and may be unlawful. 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