"I guess it depends on the purpose of "language", and thereby writing itself, though not just writing, but art as a whole. I use it as a container of experience. And therefore all I care is that it's clear and accurate. To use the visual arts that you cited, you could perhaps think of it as a snapshot, a photo of some sort. You see a something that you'd like to document, you take its photo. Except that words have a facility for describing less tangible thing, like relationships, thoughts and feelings." this is a good summation of your motives with writing, thanks for that. interestingly though, I have to say that this is also the way I view (my) poetry. a container for experience, or of _the senses_ ('sensation'). I've long read/written/studied haiku, & this attitude of experience of everything that surrounds us is conveyed in that artform in a degree that makes it very nearly spiritual, but as rooted to consciousness/personality/reality as is possible in language. that's the sort of energy I try to use when I write; whether it's haiku or poems (a differentiation). the question I asked wasn't about your appoach towards poetry, really, but about your approach to experience of it, & of the role of poetic language, poetic integrity & poetic Quality. all of which concern the desire of a writer to share his or her work, or not share it. I can certainly comprehend the idea that someone writes only for the pleasure of writing, of documenting something & then discarding it, as it were. a friend of mine actually does that literally; he writes short stories, by hand because he doesn't have a computer, but recently threw out all of his papers because he moved into a new apartment & (a) didn't want to haul them over & (b) didn't think they were as good as they might have been. I asked in bewilderment whether he'd ever heard of editing, & I've yet to really understand the way he writes. just because I don't understand the way someone who never shares their work uses language, doesn't mean I can't respect it. :) the big qualm I have with 'writing for oneself' is that there is no 'quality control' beyond the writer's own discipline, which can only be lax as it is only himself that he needs to please. the reason this is a qualm (I like that word) is that for me writing is sometimes called "the craft" because I believe in Quality. perhaps it can be called integrity as mentioned, or skill, or power, or intactness, or fullness, &c. but without outside response & influence, I can't imagine a writer being able to both care about & control said Quality. these are terribly theoretical issues, & it's always hard to grasp someone else's differing point of view (!) with something like artistic creation; probably because points of view on these things are hard to convey as it is! K S