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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Thomas Izbicki said: < I read this but was not satisfied with its inconclusive nature> Indeed. Couldn’t quite convince myself to buy it, though have since wondered if I'd missed something... John Briggs said: < Edward the Confessor?> Oops. *blushes*. I've even read that the shrine cover might be medieval, though it looks very c17 or later to me. More welcomed... -----Original Message----- From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Thomas Izbicki Sent: 06 September 2006 19:24 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] Burial places of English saints medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture I read this but was not satisfied with its inconclusive nature: The quest for Becket's bones : the mystery of the relics of St Thomas Becket of Canterbury / John Butler. Author: Butler, John R. Subjects: Thomas, ŕ Becket, Saint, 1118?-1170 -- Tomb. Canterbury Cathedral -- History. Christian saints -- England -- Canterbury. Relics -- England -- Canterbury -- History. Canterbury (England) -- Church history. Publisher: New Haven : Yale University Press, 1995. Tom Izbicki Thomas Izbicki Research Services Librarian and Gifts-in-Kind Officer Eisenhower Library Johns Hopkins Baltimore, MD 21218 (410)516-7173 fax (410)516-8399 >>> Jon Cannon <[log in to unmask]> 9/6/2006 2:00 PM >>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Cuthbert lies on the site of his own shrine (I believe: though his coffin and its goods are in the cathedral museum at Durham). Much of Thomas Cantilupe and St Chad passed into the hands of local catholics, and are still venerated, if not in Hereford or Lichfield cathedrals. But does anyone know of any other English medieval saints whose relics are still known to lie in the church where they were held, or even on the site of a medieval shrine in that church? Answers to this question * or indeed other stories of the fate of such relics, welcomed* Jon -----Original Message----- From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Christopher Crockett Sent: 06 September 2006 16:12 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] Google Books; was, Re: [M-R] Helimenus ? From: [John McChesney-Young] [log in to unmask] >What I hadn't mentioned was that I had taken the liberty of using the feedback link when I came across the imperfect scan, and I was pleasantly surprised to get an instant automatic e-mail response promising human contact soon. >This morning I was even more pleasantly surprised when I received this: Hello, Thank you for your email. I have noted that some of the front material of "The Mozarabic Psalter" is duplicated a number of times. I've passed this information along to our technical specialists, who will review the matter. I appreciate your taking the time to offer us this feedback and encourage you to continue to let us know how we can improve Google Book Search. As this is still a young program, new features are under consideration and your feedback is very helpful. Sincerely, Dan The Google Book Search Team (end quote) >It's still a canned response, but it definitely suggests a real live person read my note, looked at the book, and acted on it. yes, John, i agree that this is most heartening (to say nothing of downright astonishing). i was reluctant to use the Feedback feature, in fear that the response would be some kind of automatic removal of the whole book from the site, ending up with a bathed baby lying on the pavement, surrounded by dirty bathwater. clearly, the advantage of having 99.99% of a book available at all outweighs the inconvenience of having a few pages which are illegible and only available "en principe". since you've gotten this response, how about monitoring this particular book to see what the final outcome will be? as a practical matter, given the labor involved, i think that it will be impossible for the Googlers to simply re-scan the offending pages and insert them into the accrobat file at the appropriate place --the whole book will have to be re-scanned. otOh, they are using automatic scanners, so the human labor required to do a total re-scan is really rather minimal. otOOh, from the result which i've seen to my word searches, it appears to me that the OCR softwhere is definitely running on automatic and has a *lot* of conversion errors in its results. otOOOh, the *keywords* seem to have been *corrected* (which is obviously necessary in order for them to work as keywords in a search), and this could *only* be done by using the special skills some large mammalian creatures capable of walking upright and having opposable thumbs --so there is definitely some (considerable) paid labor cost involved in putting any book on line with their system. here's an example of what i mean: a "Full View" search for "Chateaudun" (which, note, has a circumflex first "â" in its printed text) yields http://books.google.com/books?q=chateaudun <http://books.google.com/books?q=chateaudun&as_brr=1> &as_brr=1 this found text: Comment La roi Lothaira s'empara de Ida villa d'Evreux at la livra I Thibaut. * Comment Ic duc Richard dévasta le comté da Chartres at de Chateaudun... i.e., most of the "keywords" are mostly o.k. (Evreux, Thibaut, Richard, Chartres --but, note, not Lothaira"), but the whole of the rest of the text has clearly been left _au nature_, with its OCR warts and all (La, Ida, at, livra, Ic, da). clearly there is a mammalian pre-frontal cortex at work there, somewhere. so, i'll be interested to see if, in the example you brought to the Googlers' attention, we end up with a newly scanned --and complete-- copy of the book, or rather with the book's being withdrawn from the Db all together, put back at the end of the quque to be scanned, not to surface on the site again until sometime well into the next decade, when Jenna is Prezziedint. >BTW, the book can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/kzrxq >Still imperfect, but is the bibliographical glass half-empty or half-full? well, en principe, it is totally full. which means it only does you any good if you are not particularly thirsty. still and all, quite an astonishing resource --particularly given the obscure (medieval) titles they are putting up there. christopher (who can't seem to get the JISCMAIL softwhere to re-sub him at his old address) _____ <http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100122638x1081283466x1074645346/aol?redir =http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaim%2Ecom%2Ffun%2Fmail%2F> Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html