heyo Desmond. got the memorable surname thing going. :) if you want my opinion, neither of those is even close to a haiku & neither of them is much good even as a snap/Poeme/aphorism; tacky abstract contemplation like the kind in these pieces is so top-heavy it sometimes baffles me a little that people really write them without noticing their inflation. (no offense/attack intended, I hope you realise!) & don't get me started on 5-7-5. no self-respecting writer, possibly, would give that inconsolably awkward & destructive convention a second thought. it pains me that 90% of people -maybe even of writers- would identify those two pieces as haiku; not because I'm a purist who thinks that TRUE FORM is absolute, but because haiku really, really have more [& less, heh] to offer than high-flying pseudophilosophy. K S On 20/08/06, Desmond Swords <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi > > I'm new to the list, but have been blathering on poem.co.uk and poetsonfire > forum, with some of the most energetic bores online. On Jane Hollands site, > poets on fire, there is a haiku thread relating to the daily Guardian > competition. > > > Let the mask slip and > see the goddess of your mind's > mirror reflecting > > ~ > > Written rules of life > in true poems no eye can > dismiss or reject >