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Amy and the list, Sorry I've been slow to respond to this but Amy is spot on here. Dave Dr Dave Green Senior Lecturer in Sociology Director, Society for the Academic Study of Magic (SASM): http://www.uwe.ac.uk/hlss/research/usrc/sasm/index.shtml <https://owa.uwe.ac.uk/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.uwe.ac.uk/hlss/research/usrc/sasm/index.shtml> ________________________________ From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic on behalf of Amy Hale Sent: Sat 19/08/2006 22:09 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] This List's Purview (Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Reclaiming (was Definitions of Magic) I think there are actually a number of ways to approach this. It's perfectly possible to have a good discussion about why people do what they do and to bring in a personal perspective, as long as that discussion is conducted academically. I think that a comparative discussion on the ethics of charging for magical tuition or services is very useful, as standards vary so widly according to culture and tradition. Looking at how contemporary magical groups form ethical guidelines around money and magic is absolutely relevant here. I think what we need to keep in mind is how we might best and most usefully frame the comments to keep within the academic remit of the list. It is probably best to present your personal experiences with this topic by framing them in the context of ethnographic or historic data. In short, this is not a forum for slagging off other groups or asserting the superiority of a particular magical system or perspective. It's fine to be a practitioner and an academic, but this is a list for academic discourse and resources. Cheers! Amy (one of the list mods) Amy Hale, PhD Humanities St. Petersburg College www.amyhale.weatherlight.com On 8/19/06, Caelum Rainieri <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I'm not sure why no one has said this yet, Yvonne, but this list really > isn't the proper venue for a discussion on the ethics of charging for > esoteric instruction (among other things). Many of the people here at not > practitioners, and those that are generally don't discuss the pros and cons > of their own practice on this list out of respect to them as well as to the > intentions of the list owners. There are lots of other lists where such > discussion is encouraged. In my experience, and someone please correct me if > I'm wrong, the list owners and most of the members of ASM prefer to keep the > discussion here more tightly focused. > > Caelum Rainieri > > > > Yvonne Aburrow <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi > > I saw the leaflet for the UK Reclaiming camp; it seemed rather > expensive to me at 400 pounds but presumably that's because of flying > people in from the USA to train people? > > Also I note that the training course is charged for. Still, as long as > people know up front what the charges will be....... > > But personally I hold to the view that one benefits from the ideas and > experiences of one's trainees (even raw newbies) as much as they do > from the trainer's ideas and experiences. I am rather surprised that > this is not also the view of Reclaiming. > > Yvonne > ________________________ > Yvonne Aburrow > [log in to unmask] > > > Quoting mapremshya : > > > Yes, there is a charge for some Reclaiming Camps but hardly the big > > bucks. And there is constant discussion around this and how to > > accommodate those who can't afford it. Most camps operate with a > > sliding scale and various levels of scholarships. There are weekend > > camps that don't cost as much and a Free camp that costs nothing for > > those that can't afford anything. As our Principles of Unity state: > > "We try to balance the need to be justly compensated for our labor > > with our commitment to make our work available to people of all > > economic levels." > > One of the oldest camps is in Canada, and there are also camps in > > England and Europe. > > And yes, they are worth it! > > Shya > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: jason winslade > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 1:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Definitions of Magic > > > > > > There are places in the US where sustained training, like > > Reclaiming's Witch Camp does cost the big bucks, but people seem to > > think they're worth it, as opposed to a New Age 'lecture' by Shirley > > MacLaine. > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- > The Occult Authors Market: www.lulu.com/blackpearlarts > The Nahualli Animal Oracle: www.nahualli.com > My Live Journal: caelum_rainieri.livejournal.com > > ________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. > > > This incoming email to UWE has been independently scanned for viruses and any virus detected has been removed using McAfee anti-virus software This email has been independently scanned for viruses and any virus software has been removed using McAfee anti-virus software