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I'd say the difference between magic and shamanism is that you add another couple of zeroes onto the price. About ten years ago, I heard of a shamanism weekend costing 600 pounds. Training in Wiccan covens is free (or people may charge for candles & incense, or ask people to bring them). I don't know about magical lodges, but I haven't heard of them charging either. --On 15 August 2006 21:43 +0100 DAVE EVANS <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > "You don’t see shamen talking about techniques" > > that's not exactly conclusive evidence...... when there are numerous > books, magazine articles and lectures available about shamanism, and > several shamanic residential training places in the UK alone, offering > all manner of courses, and if one goes to most New Age -type events there > will often be wall-to-wall people claiming to be shamans.... personally i > find it much harder to find magicians to talk to than shamans > > dave e Yvonne ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º http://www.yvonneaburrow.org.uk/ http://nemeton.blogspot.com/ http://vogelbeere.livejournal.com/