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I think everyone would accept this is a public list with a public archive. However joke or not, it is very poor form to suggest widespread recirculation and goes against the spirit of discussion groups. I think you need to get a thicker skin. Some Consultants have issues with ENPs. You dont have to agree (and I dont completely), but these are experienced Emergency Medicine doctors and they have reasons for there views. I am appalled you suggest they shouldnt be able to voice them here. The reality is that 15+ years of medical and emergency medicine education and subsequent years of consultant experience gives you the right to have opinions on those with considerably less education and experience working in a Specialty and the development of the Specialty in general. You dont have to like it, but its true. Opinions tend to be formed through experience and while you may find there views insulting personally - they havent taken this position just to annoy you and have reaons for there views. My department is actively training and supporting the development of ENPs - but the NZ model is very different to the UK one and I hope it will iron out many of the UK concerns. cheers Craig -----Original Message----- From: Accident and Emergency Academic List [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Robin Lewis Sent: Wednesday, 16 August 2006 1:38 a.m. To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: I think we have this all wrong - final thoughts Do you not understand the concept of humour? RL -----Original Message----- From: Accident and Emergency Academic List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Vic Sent: 15 August 2006 14:08 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: I think we have this all wrong - final thoughts >I am going to forward some of these postings to ENP colleagues around >the country so I will be interested to hear what they think... so you >need to ask yourself are you feeling lucky eh? Do I know any ENPs in the >department where YOU work? Oops sorry slip of the keyboard there... >RL As a Lancastrian used to the secret martial art of Ecky Thump I will happily land a clog right between the eyes if I want to make a point. I speak plain and am not ashamed of my words. I therefore am happy for them to be transferred to another group, but I object strongly to be told that this will be done (without permission being asked)as a means of stirring up inter-professional discord. I'm sorry but can we take a vote as to whether this contributor should be shown the yellow card? Vic Calland