medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Christopher, thanks for these insights. As long as you're at it, since I haven't seen the actual MS, any idea what the medium is (aside from pen and ink?). Anybody? thanks John > -----Original Message----- > From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Christopher Crockett > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:58 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [M-R] Saint Benedict as priest > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > From: John Wickstrom <[log in to unmask]> > > >The MS is actually from Troyes, Bib. mun. 2273. > > well, John that's very Quaint, "Bib. mun." > > what you mean to say is "Médiathèque de l'Agglomération Troyenne". > > which *sounds* much morebetter, just rolling off the tongue. > > "Bibl. mun." is *SO* Vigntième siècle. > > >It is, however, a Parisian MS, done at St. Maur-des-Fossés about 1100. Its > important contents is an illustrated Life of St. Maurus, the disciple of St. > Benedict. (There are only two that I know of; the other being the famous Vat > lat 1202 from Monte Cassino c 1070.) > > > >2273 was very nicely released on a CD by the Bnf. about a year ago. > > a description of the CD is here, half way down the page: > > http://www.bm-troyes.fr/bmtroyes/_/publications/d%C3%A9couvrir_bibli.asp > > the price is certainly right; i've yet to find the ordering information, > however. > > it seems that a great many leaves are available on-line via the Ministre de > Kulture's "Enluminures" site: > > http://www.culture.gouv.fr/documentation/enlumine/fr/BM/troyes_481-01.htm > > and subsequent pages. > > (which site, btw, is a great resource, for mss. from regional French > libraries.) > > >"http://www.kzoo.edu/history/Wickstrom/bene2.jpg"http://www.kzoo.edu/history/Wickstr > om/bene2.jpg > > > the "horseshoe" arches which trouble Carlos *might* be reflections of an > Italian model, i suppose. > > i don't see any oriental "cupolas", however --looks like pretty > straightforward western romanesque, with the clergy in one part of a building > with a crossing(?) tower and two apsidial chapels; > > and the seculares (Maur's clarisssimo senatorum generic kinsmen/women?) in > another part of the building (perhaps the narthex of the church --i'm > presuming that the high cross of the roof would be placed on the pinnacle of > the west facade). > > as for the figure with the crozier, i assume that you have identified him as > Benedict because of the text --though bishops have croziers too. > > but this guy is tonsured and surrounded by tonsured fellows, some in brown, > some in green livery, and he is investing (?) the kneeling figure (Maur?) with > a green habit (novice's ???). > > the modest brown habit of the fellow holding the green garment would seem to > eliminate the possibility that he is Benedict (as in MG's construction), seems > to me. > > the distinguished looking, kneeling secular fellow to the right of Maur(?) i > take to be his father or close kinsman; the other secular figures, male and > female, i take to be the extened family, come to witness the event of Maur > being monked. > > > judging from this illumination and the other ones i've seen on the Enluminures > site, i'd say that your artist is a fairly Capable story teller, Competent in > his handling of compositional, architectural, facial and other details, > Consistent in the Realisations of his visionary images; > > however, his ability to Clearly envision the Complexities of drapery patterns > is certainly not particularly good --these are hopelessly "muddy", more often > than not. > > cf. the Conceptual Confusion evident in the fold structure of the figure in > purple in the left hand group of monks on fol. 69v here: > > http://www.culture.gouv.fr/Wave/savimage/enlumine/irht7/IRHT_109816-p.jpg > > or here: > > http://www.culture.gouv.fr/Wave/savimage/enlumine/irht7/IRHT_109837-p.jpg > > or here: > > http://www.culture.gouv.fr/Wave/savimage/enlumine/irht7/IRHT_109830-p.jpg > > http://www.culture.gouv.fr/Wave/savimage/enlumine/irht7/IRHT_109835-p.jpg > > http://expositions.bnf.fr/bestiaire/images/3/04_01_tro.jpg (woman saint in the > lower left) > > etc. > > > as an aside, note the later defacement to the DIABOLVS figure here: > > http://www.culture.gouv.fr/Wave/savimage/enlumine/irht7/IRHT_109822-p.jpg > > > very Heavy Ju-Ju, in those Demoniac images. > > one wonders when the defacement was done. > > interesting ms., John. > > thanks for the HeadsUp on the CD. > > hit us with some more problems. > > best, > > c > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html