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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture John Wickstrom wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > Yes, that is what I thought at first. But leopards in 11th c. > Italy/France? I don't know. > The Arabs in Sicily & Spain would have had leopard skins, probably even live leopards. I don't see a problem with leopard skins as luxury goods. The feet of the skin incline more toward paws than hooves. The ears are pretty good for a cat. You could look for other contemporary ms images of leopards, bears, sheep, etc., & see if you have a more likely candidate. I suppose you could consider whether its person is riding sidesaddle &, if so, if what looks like a body is the skin across the knees & the rear hanging off the other side of the horse. DW > Also it looks to me more like a body than a skin. As I noted, no such > thing is mentioned in the text and most of the illustrations stick > very close to the text: little ever appears in the illustrations that > is not somehow connectable to the text. The figure with the animal > (skin) is described in the text as a wealthy French noble, but also an > official (chancellor is the title) of the bishop of Le Mans and so > seems to have had some sort of clerical status...though he was married > and had a family. Hmmm.. > > > > best, > > JBW > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious > culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Diana > Wright > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 8:55 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [M-R] 2nd summer mystery > > > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > > > There are conventions for representing skins. This with regular > > spotting suggests a leopard to me, especially since it has the head and > > jaw showing. > > > > I don't think anyone would try to represent a sheep with a broad head. > > A leopard would suggest wealth or interesting associations. It would not > > do much for warmth, though any skin would be better than none. It > > occurs to me that I have owned both sheepskins & a leopard skin in my > > time, & a leopard skin has its head, but a sheep doesn't, at least in > > the 20th C. I realize this is earlier than that. > > > > DW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Wickstrom wrote: > > > >> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > >> > >> Here you go... > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.kzoo.edu/history/Wickstrom/Maurus.jpg > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> best, > >> > >> JBW > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious > >> culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Diana > >> Wright > >> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 8:29 PM > >> To: [log in to unmask] > >> Subject: Re: [M-R] 2nd summer mystery > >> > >> > >> > >> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > >> > >> > >> > >> Would you post the link again. I saw the skin differently. > >> > >> > >> > >> DW > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> John Wickstrom wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > culture > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Very interesting idea, thanks. I do think it might have to do with > >> > >>> that (Sheep)skin (not mentioned in the accompanying text, btw, and so > >> > >>> quite interesting...they are heading across the Alps for France. Cold > >> > >>> up there outside the train. :) > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> best, > >> > >>> > >> > >>> JBW > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >> > >>> From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious > >> > >>> culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ms > >> > >>> Brenda M. Cook > >> > >>> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 5:41 PM > >> > >>> To: [log in to unmask] > >> > >>> Subject: Re: [M-R] 2nd summer mystery > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > culture > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> Looks to me like it could be either: > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> dental pincers > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> or > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> short whip for making the horse go faster. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> How's that for opposite ends of the spectrum of > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> possibilities?!?! > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> The animal slung over the horse's back looks to me like a sheep - dead. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Could the tool be one of those scrapers for getting the fat off a > >> > >>> sheepkin > >> > >>> > >> > >>> as part of the curing process ? Presumably the monks used sheepskins > >> > >>> either > >> > >>> > >> > >>> as supplementary clothing or a the raw material for parchments. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Just a thought. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> BMC > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> ********************************************************************** > >> > >>> > >> > >>> To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > >> > >>> > >> > >>> to: [log in to unmask] > >> > >>> > >> > >>> To send a message to the list, address it to: > >> > >>> > >> > >>> [log in to unmask] > >> > >>> > >> > >>> To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > >> > >>> > >> > >>> to: [log in to unmask] > >> > >>> > >> > >>> In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > >> > >>> > >> > >>> [log in to unmask] > >> > >>> > >> > >>> For further information, visit our web site: > >> > >>> > >> > >>> http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> -- > >> > >>> > >> > >>> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/387 - 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