Things seems to be coming full circle now - the new meeting ground IMO is the sabbatic craft, luciferian witchcraft and current new wave of stellar magick. Could you describe these? What is stellar magick and is it partly influenced by H. P. Lovecraft? Also there was mentioned somewhere that some OTO are also wiccan and sort of keep quiet about their double membership or whateveryou would call it, unless that was on another list. Can you go into details about this, what sort of problems they encounter from fellow Gardnerians that they feel they need to not let many such know they are also Crowleyite? Sharon