Bob,

 

You are in the right place here for sure. I myself am having some attachment to an academic institution, but chose to conduct my PhD research very independently and not while working at University or so. I regard your below contribution as very interesting actually. And it inspires me even more to write something good also about this subject. I have some quite relevant answers to some questions you are asking yourself. But actually I just have to wait till my PhD dissertation is ready. Since your considerations fit in with what I typed just some hours of last week. Butt it is too early to discuss that now.

 

You are in the right place. And quiet wise already

 

Kind regards,

 

Wilfred Berendsen

 


Van: Group concerned that academia should seek and promote wisdom [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Namens Isabel Adonis
Verzonden: woensdag 17 mei 2006 18:17
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Onderwerp: Re: What next?

 

Dear Sirs,

I have been watching this list for a few days, wondering if I have any place in it. Now it seems time to ask. My name is bob Macintosh and I am an amateur of wisdom, which I think means the same as 'philosopher'. However, by amateur, I also mean that I have no attachment to any academic institution, and that I do not get paid for my thinking.

 

I am entirely in sympathy with the suggested vision statement, but the mission statement I wish to question. I certainly want to encourage academia to seek wisdom, but I am not sure that it can be promoted or that it is a capacity.

Over the last couple of centuries, knowledge has increased exponentially, yet wisdom has increased not at all. I question whether wisdom has any connection with knowledge? Knowledge can be taught and  , it can be accumulated and passed on, it is capacity - to speak a language, or conduct valid experiments, or pass exams, or whatever; but is wisdom like that?

Most of the conversation here has been about thinkers who have been largely neglected by academia. The Laws of Form demonstrates that even an enquiry into railway switches, if pursued in the right spirit can lead to wisdom, but I suspect that it cannot be arrived at by following another, not even a college professor, and not even George Spencer Brown. Incidentally, can I reccomend as a complement to the above, The Ending of Time, by J Krishnamurti & Dr David Bohm, which starts from the other end as it were, and works backwards to the first distinction.

My own point of view is that wisdom is identical with love and also rationality, which is the absence of self; it has nothing to do with knowledge, and is not more widespread in academia than elsewhere. It would be the height of folly to claim to have wisdom, to seek to set up any kind of authority on it, or to try and promote it in anyone but oneself - but perhaps I am in the wrong place, and talking about something completely different using the same word.

 best wishes,

bob Macintosh.

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/meetingpool/

http://bobtwice.blogspot.com/

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Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:18 PM

Subject: What next?

 

Dear Friends of Wisdom,

 

                                     We have announced our existence to the world - or to the readers of the Times Higher Education Supplement - and we have acquired new members.  What do we do now?  We are in broad agreement, I take it, that universities ought to seek and promote wisdom more actively and effectively than they do at present.  But what does this involve?  What changes need to be made to research and education if these are to seek and promote wisdom in an adequate way?  How do we go about helping to bring the required changes about?  What do we do?

 

                                     As I see it, we have two different but related tasks before us. 

 

(A) First, we need to continue to debate among ourselves what kind of inquiry would adequately seek and help promote wisdom.  Is it primarily a question of teaching in such a way that, whatever else is being learned - physics, history, anthropology, etc. - the student also acquires wisdom, as the USA initiative "teaching for wisdom" would seem to hold?  Or is something more radical required?  Does there need to be a transformation in the overall aims and methods of inquiry, a change in the nature of disciplines, in the way they are related to one another, and a change in the way academia is related to the rest of society, if inquiry is to seek and promote wisdom adequately?  Do we, perhaps, need an intellectual and cultural transformation comparable in importance to the scientific revolution of the 17th century, or the Enlightenment of the 18th century?

 

(B) Assuming we come to some sort of rough agreement concerning (A), our task is then to try to get across to our academic colleagues the need for change, and ideas about what needs to change.  It might be that what we need to do, here, is to stimulate serious debate about what the aims and methods of academic inquiry should be much more broadly, in and out of academic and educational contexts.  Or perhaps we do have specific changes in mind which we hold need to be made to academia if it is to seek and promote wisdom adequately - our task being to make out the case for these changes as publicly and effectively as we can.  Or perhaps we should ourselves begin to practise what we preach (if we are not already doing just that), so that we devote at least some of our own research, writing and teaching to the promotion of wisdom (as best we can).  Or are we primarily a sort of meta-organization, facilitating communication between other people, groups, organizations and societies who are engaged in the struggle to help create a wiser world, and help create institutions of research and learning devoted to that end?

 

                                    (A) and (B) need to be carried on simultaneously, of course.  I don't wish to imply that (A) has to be completed before we can begin with (B).

 

                                    My own view, as I expect many of you know, is that we do need a radical revolution in the aims and methods of academic inquiry, a revolution in its structure and character, if it is to seek and promote wisdom effectively, and in a genuinely rational way.  I see ideal human inquiry as a sort of rational development of animal inquiry - the essential thing about animal inquiry being that it is learning how to live, learning how to act in the world so as to survive and reproduce.  Human inquiry, too, ideally, ought to be (in my view) about learning how to live, learning how to act and be in the world; problems of living ought to be at the heart of the academic enterprise, and not, as at present, at the periphery.  The big differences between animal and human inquiry are, first, the elaborately social character of the latter, and second that the basic aims of life and of inquiry are, for us, not only survival and reproduction, but rather the realization in life of what is genuinely of value (whatever that may be).  The basic aims of life, and of inquiry are, for us, inherently problematic, and it ought to be a part of our task to try to improve our aims as we live, as we learn and think. 

 

                                    This radical interpretation of our task is reflected, to some extent, in our website (www.knowledgetowisdom.org).  Is it too radical?  Or not radical enough?  What ought we to be trying to achieve?

 

                                     In pursuing (A) and (B) I hope this emailing group will try to exercise some restraint, and will not send material or pursue discussion of matters only tangentially related to our main concerns.  I have already received one or two complaints on this score.  It has also been suggested to me that we should not send attachments to the list: I am not sure how people feel about that.

 

                                     Mathew Iredale, who helps me manage this emailing group, has suggested to me that Friends of Wisdom ought to have simple vision and mission statements, as many charities do.  He says "Although our aims may be varied and complex, applying as they do to so many areas of life throughout the world, we ought to try and provide a simple statement of what they are".  And he proposes the following, which seem to me to be excellent:-

 

Our vision statement:-  We wish to help humanity learn how to create a better world.

 

Our mission statement:-  Our mission is to encourage academia to devote itself to seeking and promoting wisdom by rational means, wisdom being the capacity to realize what is of value in life, for oneself and others.

 

                                     And he also suggests that we put ourselves on a more formal basis and agree on a constitution for Friends of Wisdom - perhaps a simplified version of the constitution of Scientists for Global Responsibility (http://www.sgr.org.uk/Constitution.html).

 

                                     My apologies for the length of this email, clearly violating my request for restraint!

 

                                    Best wishes,

 

                                                  Nick Maxwell  

www.nick-maxwell.demon.co.uk


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