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COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the UK. To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML For any problems or queries, contact the list moderator at [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask] ========================================================================Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:05:16 +0100 Reply-To: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> Sender: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> From: Sue McPherson <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Intentions Re: name consusion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My experience of the university was that they could do exactly as they liked and no one could stop them. What is remarkable, to me, is that I live here on the out fucking side, while people like Michael Swindon are invited in. He must be loaded! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petra Boynton" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Intentions Re: name consusion > Mike S > I think many of us here would like to know more about the research > you were part of that looked at ethics committees. Are you able to > share anything about it? > > PB > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: [log in to unmask] > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Intentions Re: name consusion > Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 21:56:32 +0100 > > >Sue, (wonder what 'consusion' means, so annoying to find spelling > >errors after sending e-ms) > > > >'Spam' mean't in usual sense, except for any list members who may see > >my own lay member contributions as unwanted 'junk mail' (a way of > >acknowledging I am a non-academic newcomer). This appeared to be the > >case in Kim's 'riif-raff' feeling giving response to my posting about > >CBT - a subject, by long experience, my wife and I am very qualified > >to speak about. I immediately went to website and tried three times > >to get taken off the list (seemingly confirmed I was not qualifed to > >be on it) but the page buttons did not appear to work. Was about to > >block all e-ms from the list (auto delete them on arrival) when I > >found that supportive letter from John. > > > >Certainly no hidden meaning in terms of trying to criticise members > >other than myself. Am still finding it hard to believe that respected > >people like yourselves are even considering anything I say. Spam/Junk > >Mail/ phone calls trying to sell largely unwanted goods and services, > >stressfully invade our lives in so many ways and represent the > >consumerism I see as doing so much to control and pollute our minds > >and planet. So difficult to trust anyone and anything in this 'abuse > >one another by any means' world but I hope you recognise my nervous > >offerings as: '... people's very real efforts to do something useful > >in society..' > > > >As for questioning academics motivations, I have been passionately > >active in that for years and in co-operation with Uni Com & Clin > >Psychology supporters among many other health care workers and their > >clients. Unless you are suggesting your former academic 'superiors' > >were perfectly right to ignore all your hard word and good > >intentions, I hope you will agree there can be people in high > >positions who stop people doing the good work they could otherwise do > >and sometimes with devastating results. It is their motivations and > >'expertise' I and others question', not those of you academics and > >graduates clearly trying to do great good against often 'impossible' > >odds. This was very much part of a Uni research project I > >participated in about a year ago. As a first step to looking at the > >barriers in research, the subject was Ethics Committees - a group of > >people we have never met deciding how participants may respond to > >life and research participation. > > > >Mike Swin > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Sue McPherson > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 7:23 PM > > Subject: Intentions Re: name consusion > > > > > > No need to apologise. I dont see any off the men doing so. Michael > >has just made a comment - or is it an accusation - about "spam > >infestations." Maybe he would like to be clearer about that remark - > >which emails are spam, or which posters. There was a post at the > >beginning of this thread - or has it changed now - mentioning a > >course he was teaching - and someone else wrote in describing it as > >spam. As I see it, spam are all those emails I get about Viagra and > >porn and personal webcams, though as someone once said, one man's > >junk (or one woman's) is another man's treasure. > > > > I thought it would hae been useful to talk more about the course > >being offered and how it might be improved, but I have no comments > >about that. It is so easy to dismiss people by calling their posts > >spam, when in reality the posts are people's very real efforts to do > >something useful in society. In a time when academics' motivations > >are under suspicion, it might be worthwhile for some of them, and > >indeed, some from within the community, to present their views on > >such matters. > > > > We have granted the gift of being able to interact using language. > >Let's not abuse that gift by putting it to questionable purposes. > >Your intentions matter. > > > > Sue McPherson > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Penny Priest > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:22 PM > > Subject: Re: name consusion > > > > > > Ooops! My apologies to both Michaels. I really must pay > >attention. > > There seem to be quite a few of us who are struggling with their > >right to be here and say anything. Whilst I struggle with this myself > >at times, I also struggle with my inability to keep my gob shut. I > >think there are merits in silence and shouting. > > Penny > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: MICHAEL SWINDLEHURST > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] name consusion > > > > > > Penny, > > > > Yes! must be many confused members around at the moment from > >recent exchanges. For my part, I have found every posting in the > >over-lapping strings very valuable because they have raised so many > >key issues, including anger and fear. Even the multiple question > >marks response sums up what I hoped you guys would be about on > >recently joining. Not possible to respond to every one, as much > >tempted, because it may only add to the confusion and spam and, I am > >still struggling to feel I have right to be here and say anything, > >despite many years being involved through other channels. Apologies > >for my current hogging of the list but our (wife and self's) national > >network of MH service users and the daily news suggest we need very > >urgent action on the ways we all think, feel and behave. > > > > Gender certainly a major factor in what can needlessly and > >negatively affect and effect us all, as with ethnology, research > >barriers, etc. Gender issues have been a major factor in my own > >treatment needs. I am a small, unattractive, 1000 year (at least) > >ethnically white British hetrosexual, retired, 'working class' male > >(i.e. a person (?)) severely emotionally battered by both/all sexes > >and the 'system' itself - feeling I do not belong in 'my own' > >Country or anywhere else. Strangely perhaps, it has only left me very > >concerned about the plight of all people - even Estate Agents. So sad > >that we continue to find so many ways to abuse one another - > >including via spam infestations - especially considering the amazing > >good we could still achieve as a species if we pulled together. I am > >also the old, worn out Michael/Mike (Swin..) at the opposite end of > >knowledge and influence to the Michael/Mike and others who have been > >kindly responding. > > > > Mike Swin. PS. Interesting for me to see your on-stage/screen > >experience. I was one of the' rude technicals' who designed the sets > >for you braver and prettier souls to go on. What a contrast to our > >lives now but at least we have had the experience to know people can > >achieve the 'impossible' when we work together in a caring and > >co-operative environment with enough material resources. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Penny Priest > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 8:08 AM > > Subject: On a few technical notes > > > > > > Hello everyone > > I just wanted to point out that, in the midst of all the > >recent exchanges, I have sometimes received replies to postings, > >before I see the original posting, which can be quite confusing, > >obviously, as I sometimes find myself reading something, perhaps an > >angry response, but don't know what it's in response to. I just > >wanted to point this out to everyone, because I think it happened > >recently to Dawn. > > I've also been a bit confused by a couple of Michael's > >(Swindlehurst) postings which have begun 'Michael' or 'Thank you > >Michael', but on reflection I think you're just saying it's you here, > >Michael? Or are you? > > Aside from technicalities, I have been intrigued by my own > >and others' responses to Sue. These heated exchanges all began > >following Henry's posting about Mindfulness training, which I thought > >was a little strange turning up on this list (although I could > >imagine how mindfulness would fit it, but I do object to the current > >fashion of marketing it as a therapy - if people want to practice > >mindfulness, I would encourage them to join a Sangha). I then noticed > >the discussion swinging round to Sue's experience of doing research, > >which was elaborated on at Petra's invitation. Every time I logged > >onto my email over the last few days, I kept thinking the spammers > >had got hold of me again, before I saw my inbox and that it was this > >list instead, with many of the postings from Sue. Part of me thinks > >this is Sue's issue and nothing really to do with me, and whilst Paul > >seemed insulted on Rachael's behalf, it's not really Rachael that Sue > >is attacking, but the people Sue had to deal with when she was doing > >her research. Maybe that's no excuse for rudeness, but isn't that > >what happens sometimes when people get angry? Another part of me > >thinks in some ways it's almost refreshing to have some gut reactions > >on this list, instead of it all being dressed up terribly nicely and > >politely. > > I did wonder whether there was a male/female thing going on > >too, but it does seem that Paul and Michael at least are taking quite > >different positions. > > Anyway, for what it's worth, this posting comes with love > >from: > > a mother, sister, daughter, beginner-surfer, prize-winning > >fell-runner, former teacher, pissed-again pop-star (once supported > >Nina Simone), clinical psychologist, mainly heterosexual, angry woman > >(this is just how I see myself at the moment). > > ___________________________________ > > COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community > >psychology in the UK. 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To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML For any problems or queries, contact the list moderator at [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask] ========================================================================Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:06:12 +0100 Reply-To: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> Sender: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> From: Sue McPherson <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Talking of talking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C66B96.126E1AF0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C66B96.126E1AF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How about something about the effect of the university on people it gets rid of!!!!!!! Sue McPherson ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Elliott To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:53 PM Subject: Re: Talking of talking hi petra your mail about research methods reminded me that there is a conference on 'qualitative research and marginalisation' next week. perhaps some of the issues you raised will be discussed there? the second example you gave, about the impact of research interviews on researchers also reminded me of the mental health foundation's work supporting user-led research projects. as i understand it, the support they offer their researchers accounts for the impact of the research process as a whole as well as academic 'super'vision. suzanne -----Original Message----- From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Petra Boynton Sent: 27 April 2006 11:54 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Talking of talking Here's one example. Some people assume some methods (usually quantitative ones) are inherently oppressive or problematic. For example a questionnaire may force people to select a particular answer. Other methods (more often qualitative ones), may be seen as more open or fair. However for some participants and researchers dealing with some topics action research may feel quite invasive. Two examples (since the above is rather vague) in one piece of community research colleagues and myself were involved in on sex workers we were commissioned to run interviews with sex workers. We had little success and discovered from the women we were working with that an 'interview' was something they saw as tools used by journalists and the police. We asked them what method they'd prefer, they said 'questionnaires' because they could tick things without having to reveal as much of themselves. (This picks up on Mike's message about choosing methods which I'll tackle in another email). It presented a number of dilemmas - we wanted to include participants and work to suit their needs, we also needed to collect data to answer questions (and keep a funding body happy), yet the researchers felt they'd been taught qualtiative research was better in this situation and were worried about using questionnaires. The second example moves beyond participants and methods and looks at researchers. A colleague ran a study of mental health service users experiences of using their GP. Existing service users were trained up to be part of an action research study. However, whilst all the methodological bases were covered, nobody really thought to monitor the daily experiences of discussing mental distress with other service users. Several of the service user researchers found this difficult, distressing and felt they had 'failed' as researchers but also felt distressed outside of work. So I suppose what I'm interested in unpacking is all that hidden stuff behind methods - the practical aspects of research, the safety and wellbeing of everyone concerned in a study, as well as really critically evaluating the methods we 'use' because sometimes we well meaningly pick a method that our participants don't like. PB At 11:04 27/04/2006, you wrote: Petra Could you expand on this, perhaps by giving a specific example of what you mean, in order to fuel a discussion? John ----- Original Message ----- From: Petra Boynton To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 5:25 PM Subject: Re: Talking of talking I'd welcome Mike's suggestion around discussing ethnography, action research and critical reflexiveness. One question that could get us started is how to reconcile a critical stance with some of the issues/problems inherent in many research methods. bw PB At 17:22 26/04/2006, you wrote: Hello All There are plenty of places/spaces to talk about therapy - mindfulness or not, moreover, psychological notions seem to be permeating more and more aspects of at least my lifeworld. I would agree, however, indeed for a community psychology list there is far too much talk about therapy and far too little about ethnography/action research/critical reflexive-ness (beyond the 'I work for the NHS and find it hard to keep my job and criticize it' - which I understand, but it's only a small way to examining challenging institutional hegemonies (Apologies for spelling)), even some discussion about non-experimental social psychology would be refreshing. The list has been quite quiet recently - What are people up to? Mike To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! 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----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Suzanne ElliottTo: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:53 PMSubject: Re: Talking of talkinghi petrayour mail about research methods reminded me that there is a conference on 'qualitative research and marginalisation' next week. perhaps some of the issues you raised will be discussed there?the second example you gave, about the impact of research interviews on researchers also reminded me of the mental health foundation's work supporting user-led research projects. as i understand it, the support they offer their researchers accounts for the impact of the research process as a whole as well as academic 'super'vision.suzanne-----Original Message-----Here's one example. Some people assume some methods (usually quantitative ones) are inherently oppressive or problematic. For example a questionnaire may force people to select a particular answer. Other methods (more often qualitative ones), may be seen as more open or fair. However for some participants and researchers dealing with some topics action research may feel quite invasive.
From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Petra Boynton
Sent: 27 April 2006 11:54
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Subject: Re: Talking of talking
Two examples (since the above is rather vague) in one piece of community research colleagues and myself were involved in on sex workers we were commissioned to run interviews with sex workers. We had little success and discovered from the women we were working with that an 'interview' was something they saw as tools used by journalists and the police. We asked them what method they'd prefer, they said 'questionnaires' because they could tick things without having to reveal as much of themselves. (This picks up on Mike's message about choosing methods which I'll tackle in another email). It presented a number of dilemmas - we wanted to include participants and work to suit their needs, we also needed to collect data to answer questions (and keep a funding body happy), yet the researchers felt they'd been taught qualtiative research was better in this situation and were worried about using questionnaires.
The second example moves beyond participants and methods and looks at researchers. A colleague ran a study of mental health service users experiences of using their GP. Existing service users were trained up to be part of an action research study. However, whilst all the methodological bases were covered, nobody really thought to monitor the daily experiences of discussing mental distress with other service users. Several of the service user researchers found this difficult, distressing and felt they had 'failed' as researchers but also felt distressed outside of work.
So I suppose what I'm interested in unpacking is all that hidden stuff behind methods - the practical aspects of research, the safety and wellbeing of everyone concerned in a study, as well as really critically evaluating the methods we 'use' because sometimes we well meaningly pick a method that our participants don't like.
PB
At 11:04 27/04/2006, you wrote:
Petra
Could you expand on this, perhaps by giving a specific example of what you mean, in order to fuel a discussion?
John
- ----- Original Message -----
- From: Petra Boynton
- To: [log in to unmask]
- Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 5:25 PM
- Subject: Re: Talking of talking
- I'd welcome Mike's suggestion around discussing ethnography, action research and critical reflexiveness. One question that could get us started is how to reconcile a critical stance with some of the issues/problems inherent in many research methods.
- bw
- PB
- At 17:22 26/04/2006, you wrote:
- Hello All
- There are plenty of places/spaces to talk about therapy - mindfulness or not, moreover, psychological notions seem to be permeating more and more aspects of at least my lifeworld. I would agree, however, indeed for a community psychology list there is far too much talk about therapy and far too little about ethnography/action research/critical reflexive-ness (beyond the 'I work for the NHS and find it hard to keep my job and criticize it' - which I understand, but it's only a small way to examining challenging institutional hegemonies (Apologies for spelling)), even some discussion about non-experimental social psychology would be refreshing. The list has been quite quiet recently - What are people up to?
- Mike
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To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML For any problems or queries, contact the list moderator at [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask] ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C66B96.126E1AF0-- ========================================================================Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:07:02 +0100 Reply-To: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> Sender: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> From: Sue McPherson <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: List definition MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C66B96.30831040" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C66B96.30831040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael S You are one of the poweful people! Sue McPherson - marginalized. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael ridley-Dash To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: Re: List definition Hi Michael S. Firstly I think we're confusing people by having the same first name so I'll sign off Mike R-D in future. I think your interest and addition to the list is all to the good. I'd like to take your comment - 'We have a sense that there are powerful people who still control all our lives, motivated either by self-interest or by belief - such as 'survival of the fittest' and 'competing against each other' I think in tackling this idea, which is becoming the central ideology of our society we have to critically assess success/failure, indeed I we are sold the concept of success or totality as a totality. Take popular films like Brassed Off/ Billy Elliot/ Forest Gump for example, which all rely on this sense of struggle through adversity with the eventuality of success (winning a competition/ becoming a ballet dancer/ becoming rich). Of course these are only films, but they feed in to a large societal discourse about what our actions mean. As in your brother's case many people fight and lose out to powerful institutions and their actions are become encapsulated in the realms of failure. Think of the miner's strike. But in a world where the powerful are most likely to succeed and those that struggle do not, we have to start placing value on the actions of those that do attempt change. Not in a romantic way as portraying them as noble failures, but as a challange to the whole notion of failure. I think a good book in this tradition is 'A People's History of the United States' by Howard Zinn - which compares the succesful colonisation of the USA meaning the swift effective slaughter of hundred's of thousands of indigenous people, to the struggles of black people, women and the poor of several centuries in America, which took decades of relentless, mostly seemingly fruitless struggle, to achieve changes (voting rights, freedom from slavery, an end to segregation) which would not have come about without such struggle. The book rather than focus on 'great american leaders' or experts demonstrates how movements of people made the really important contributions in terms of social reform etc. Therefore, as we should be humble about what our achievements can bring in terms of making our lives 'success stories' whilst producing social change, we should be ready to relentlessly fail publicly and to think in terms of not yet/ rather than not ever. Mike R-D MICHAEL SWINDLEHURST <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Thank you Michael, I am not only grateful for demonstrating your belief in the value of all people (as other list members) by explaining this, it further helps bridge the gap of understanding to better enable contributors at our recipient end to continue offering thoughts and experience on these issues (through the various channels such as Government 'listening to experts by experience' scheme). Indeed, you also demonstrates that much such co-operation has already taken place for the good of all. Obviously, I am now particularly interested in your comment: ".. but rather the structures in which they/I work which priviledge some forms of knowledge and eradicate others. I see no purity in anyone's position, least of all my own, and see much of my actions and work (as an assistant psychologist) largely as problematic" I gain the impression that this fits in with what other professional list members are saying about the restrictions they experience in the quest for positive change. Whatever, it does appear from our end that many good ideas have already resulted from this 'across-the-board co-operation' and that it may not just be a question of limited resources preventing these measures and further positive research being implemented to the level required. We have a sense that there are powerful people who still control all our lives, motivated either by self-interest or by belief - such as 'survival of the fittest' and 'competing against each other', as opposed to the observations and findings of you true humanitarian scientists. Wonder if it also relates to my brother's experience with his business at the cutting edge of IT. For 8 years, he and his family fought against the 'big boys' of business, despite suffering much ill health and poverty, only to lose out to them - as so many do - in the end. His motivation for the innovation was the good of all, rather than personal profit, but the powerful purse-string holders such as those that enable/allow our Governments to be elected, appear to have little concern for the product and common good. Is my view and spirit totally irrational and useless? I have no wish to waste anyone's time on the list, including my own, if there is no hope I can be of some possible use. I am still very confused about who and what the list is for..... Sue, I certainly will not accept a role as punch-bag by anyone appearing to have no positive beliefs about themselves, others, psychology and life. My goodness Sue, if that is the way you feel about yourself, what does this say about your views and feelings on those masses of us you appear to see as below your well demonstrated wrongly perceived nothingness? If we are not all equal in potential value, despite our wide ranging differences, fortunes and handicaps, I have certainly misunderstood the meaning of Communiy Psychology. In your word 'intentions', I thought you mean't unity of good hearted people is the most important factor in our quest for positive change - a point and power I hope all list members can agree on. Yet again, I join with those on the list who are offering you an warm open hand, not a cold hard fist. Seems you have already had far too much of that. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael ridley-Dash To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:49 AM Subject: Re: List definition Michael I pefect understand what mean by 'it' - therapy/psychologising and 'its' (there I go again) many arms or as it's dubbed in some critical psychology literature the 'psy-complex'. This is a political (do you have to be a politician to mention the word politics?) tool in which problems that stem from inequality (which allows huge groups such as older people to be on the margins of poverty, whilst others enjoy the 'fruits of careers' etc.) are redifined as individual deficiencies for example inability to save and plan for the future. Indeed such discourse threads itself through therapeutic practice/magazine articles right throught to everyday speech. Community psychology (for me) is partly an attempt to see how such destructive discourses and their enactment through societal arrangements both covers up for and perpetuates inequality (we could all have careers if only we were thinking/attributing/behaving correctly) but also produces a futher level in which people can be unequal in terms of the self. i.e. the rational self (employable/useful/coherent) vs the irrational self (unemployable/useless/incoherent). It is taken as a given that a strategic use of therapy (as highlighted for the unemployed in Layard) is a political act in the way that it produces ideas of employability. For example - 'You find that 'flexible' work opportunities with increasingly less sick pay, holiday pay etc. anxiety provoking. Well rather than challange these changes in the working enviroment, which we can't do as two individuals. Let's see how we can make this practice more acceptable to you by changing your thinking about it and how you behave' Obvious subtext - 'Stop complaining and get back to work'. This is not to blame the people who enact therapy. Anymore than I 'blame' myself for wanting a career I can't step outside of societal arrangements as they stand. These factors are a given for me - they are a 'baseline' from which I try to conceptualise. As for experts we have a clever system in the National guidelines for Clinical Excellence (NICE), in which at first glance expert opnion is placed low on the list of influence for policy. This would make up believe that expert 'opnion' is far from the basis in which descions are made. However, the highest influence is that of Randomised Control Trials (RCT's), which are defined, run, analysed, interpreted and disseminated by and to... wait for it Clinical experts, researchers, academics etc. Of course, however, these trials are presented as objective experiements which represent the uncovering of truth about the world, but the very fact that clincians/researchers get to choose what is catagorised as something (people with depression, for example) and then can choose to ignore all societal context (or merely cast one variable as societal context) build policies around individual interventions which serve to reinforce societal arrangements. So I am not concerned about the falliability or infalliability or experts, but rather the structures in which they/I work which priviledge some forms of knowledge and eradicate others. I see no purity in anyone's position, least of all my own, and see much of my actions and work (as an assistant psychologist) largely as problematic. Apologies if any of this appears diffuse and unintelligible (and badly spelt) it's my irrationality at play and I should definetly get back to work, With all affections, Mike Thank you for the encouragement John, I do agree with Sue about the omnipotent powers of 'experts', regardless of whether deserving highly influential titles or not, and suspect this is why many members without letters after their name are are afraid to speak up or feel it is a waste of time. As a Pensioner non-academic 'mental health client' contributor to Annie's Psychology Service User Advisory Group, our work together as a wide range of experts in living - as all people are - has already introduced practical changes toward any potential for turning psychology into a rational and positive science. The key has been genuine respect for each other's views, knowledge and experience - accepted as of equal value in our guiding concern for the prospects of all people. My first awareness of community psychology as a practical art and science was as a commercial art student. Here one is taught how to con the public into thinking, feeling and acting in ways that mostly benefit a minority at great costs to the majority and our planet. The same principle is used in most aspects of our society, not least religion and politics, so I feel that learning to live with it is very dangerous for all of us. In the meantime, we can need individual treatment to keep us going or restrained but it must not be allowed to be used as a political tool to ignore and maintain the root causes of ever-growing individual, social and global ills. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John Cromby To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:04 PM Subject: Re: List definition Hi Mike I'm sorry and surprised to hear that you had a bad response to your earlier post. I thought your characterisation of CBT as 'coercive bullying tactics' was fantastic. And I agree, the list should have more of a focus on how social and economic structures impact upon us in our daily lives. John ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL SWINDLEHURST To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: List definition It does appear from recent postings that there is a need to define who and what the discussion list is for. My hope in joining was that it may be a medium for discussing practical ideas to change the social and economic structures behind most mental ill health. A recent response to one of my postings certainly made me feel like 'riff-raff' and I wonder how many other 'experts by experience' members at client and CMHT level are afraid to offer responses and ideas for fear of feeling the same. Perhaps there is need to be mindful of what 'Communiy Psychology' means? Mike ___________________________________ COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the UK. To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML For any problems or queries, contact the list moderator at [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask] ___________________________________ COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the UK. 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___________________________________----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Michael ridley-DashTo: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:50 PMSubject: Re: List definitionHi Michael S.Firstly I think we're confusing people by having the same first name so I'll sign off Mike R-D in future. I think your interest and addition to the list is all to the good.I'd like to take your comment -'We have a sense that there are powerful people who still control all our lives, motivated either by self-interest or by belief - such as 'survival of the fittest' and 'competing against each other'I think in tackling this idea, which is becoming the central ideology of our society we have to critically assess success/failure, indeed I we are sold the concept of success or totality as a totality. Take popular films like Brassed Off/ Billy Elliot/ Forest Gump for example, which all rely on this sense of struggle through adversity with the eventuality of success (winning a competition/ becoming a ballet dancer/ becoming rich). Of course these are only films, but they feed in to a large societal discourse about what our actions mean. As in your brother's case many people fight and lose out to powerful institutions and their actions are become encapsulated in the realms of failure. Think of the miner's strike.But in a world where the powerful are most likely to succeed and those that struggle do not, we have to start placing value on the actions of those that do attempt change. Not in a romantic way as portraying them as noble failures, but as a challange to the whole notion of failure.I think a good book in this tradition is 'A People's History of the United States' by Howard Zinn - which compares the succesful colonisation of the USA meaning the swift effective slaughter of hundred's of thousands of indigenous people, to the struggles of black people, women and the poor of several centuries in America, which took decades of relentless, mostly seemingly fruitless struggle, to achieve changes (voting rights, freedom from slavery, an end to segregation) which would not have come about without such struggle. The book rather than focus on 'great american leaders' or experts demonstrates how movements of people made the really important contributions in terms of social reform etc.Therefore, as we should be humble about what our achievements can bring in terms of making our lives 'success stories' whilst producing social change, we should be ready to relentlessly fail publicly and to think in terms of not yet/ rather than not ever.Mike R-D
MICHAEL SWINDLEHURST <[log in to unmask]> wrote:Thank you Michael,I am not only grateful for demonstrating your belief in the value of all people (as other list members) by explaining this, it further helps bridge the gap of understanding to better enable contributors at our recipient end to continue offering thoughts and experience on these issues (through the various channels such as Government 'listening to experts by experience' scheme). Indeed, you also demonstrates that much such co-operation has already taken place for the good of all. Obviously, I am now particularly interested in your comment:".. but rather the structures in which they/I work which priviledge some forms of knowledge and eradicate others. I see no purity in anyone's position, least of all my own, and see much of my actions and work (as an assistant psychologist) largely as problematic"I gain the impression that this fits in with what other professional list members are saying about the restrictions they experience in the quest for positive change. Whatever, it does appear from our end that many good ideas have already resulted from this 'across-the-board co-operation' and that it may not just be a question of limited resources preventing these measures and further positive research being implemented to the level required. We have a sense that there are powerful people who still control all our lives, motivated either by self-interest or by belief - such as 'survival of the fittest' and 'competing against each other', as opposed to the observations and findings of you true humanitarian scientists.Wonder if it also relates to my brother's experience with his business at the cutting edge of IT. For 8 years, he and his family fought against the 'big boys' of business, despite suffering much ill health and poverty, only to lose out to them - as so many do - in the end. His motivation for the innovation was the good of all, rather than personal profit, but the powerful purse-string holders such as those that enable/allow our Governments to be elected, appear to have little concern for the product and common good. Is my view and spirit totally irrational and useless? I have no wish to waste anyone's time on the list, including my own, if there is no hope I can be of some possible use. I am still very confused about who and what the list is for.....Sue,I certainly will not accept a role as punch-bag by anyone appearing to have no positive beliefs about themselves, others, psychology and life. My goodness Sue, if that is the way you feel about yourself, what does this say about your views and feelings on those masses of us you appear to see as below your well demonstrated wrongly perceived nothingness? If we are not all equal in potential value, despite our wide ranging differences, fortunes and handicaps, I have certainly misunderstood the meaning of Communiy Psychology. In your word 'intentions', I thought you mean't unity of good hearted people is the most important factor in our quest for positive change - a point and power I hope all list members can agree on. Yet again, I join with those on the list who are offering you an warm open hand, not a cold hard fist. Seems you have already had far too much of that.Mike----- Original Message -----___________________________________From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Michael ridley-DashTo: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:49 AMSubject: Re: List definitionMichaelI pefect understand what mean by 'it' - therapy/psychologising and 'its' (there I go again) many arms or as it's dubbed in some critical psychology literature the 'psy-complex'. This is a political (do you have to be a politician to mention the word politics?) tool in which problems that stem from inequality (which allows huge groups such as older people to be on the margins of poverty, whilst others enjoy the 'fruits of careers' etc.) are redifined as individual deficiencies for example inability to save and plan for the future. Indeed such discourse threads itself through therapeutic practice/magazine articles right throught to everyday speech.Community psychology (for me) is partly an attempt to see how such destructive discourses and their enactment through societal arrangements both covers up for and perpetuates inequality (we could all have careers if only we were thinking/attributing/behaving correctly) but also produces a futher level in which people can be unequal in terms of the self. i.e. the rational self (employable/useful/coherent) vs the irrational self (unemployable/useless/incoherent). It is taken as a given that a strategic use of therapy (as highlighted for the unemployed in Layard) is a political act in the way that it produces ideas of employability.For example -'You find that 'flexible' work opportunities with increasingly less sick pay, holiday pay etc. anxiety provoking. Well rather than challange these changes in the working enviroment, which we can't do as two individuals. Let's see how we can make this practice more acceptable to you by changing your thinking about it and how you behave'Obvious subtext - 'Stop complaining and get back to work'.This is not to blame the people who enact therapy. Anymore than I 'blame' myself for wanting a career I can't step outside of societal arrangements as they stand.These factors are a given for me - they are a 'baseline' from which I try to conceptualise.As for experts we have a clever system in the National guidelines for Clinical Excellence (NICE), in which at first glance expert opnion is placed low on the list of influence for policy. This would make up believe that expert 'opnion' is far from the basis in which descions are made.However, the highest influence is that of Randomised Control Trials (RCT's), which are defined, run, analysed, interpreted and disseminated by and to... wait for it Clinical experts, researchers, academics etc. Of course, however, these trials are presented as objective experiements which represent the uncovering of truth about the world, but the very fact that clincians/researchers get to choose what is catagorised as something (people with depression, for example) and then can choose to ignore all societal context (or merely cast one variable as societal context) build policies around individual interventions which serve to reinforce societal arrangements.So I am not concerned about the falliability or infalliability or experts, but rather the structures in which they/I work which priviledge some forms of knowledge and eradicate others. I see no purity in anyone's position, least of all my own, and see much of my actions and work (as an assistant psychologist) largely as problematic.Apologies if any of this appears diffuse and unintelligible (and badly spelt) it's my irrationality at play and I should definetly get back to work,With all affections,MikeThank you for the encouragement John,I do agree with Sue about the omnipotent powers of 'experts', regardless of whether deserving highly influential titles or not, and suspect this is why many members without letters after their name are are afraid to speak up or feel it is a waste of time. As a Pensioner non-academic 'mental health client' contributor to Annie's Psychology Service User Advisory Group, our work together as a wide range of experts in living - as all people are - has already introduced practical changes toward any potential for turning psychology into a rational and positive science. The key has been genuine respect for each other's views, knowledge and experience - accepted as of equal value in our guiding concern for the prospects of all people. My first awareness of community psychology as a practical art and science was as a commercial art student. Here one is taught how to con the public into thinking, feeling and acting in ways that mostly benefit a minority at great costs to the majority and our planet. The same principle is used in most aspects of our society, not least religion and politics, so I feel that learning to live with it is very dangerous for all of us. In the meantime, we can need individual treatment to keep us going or restrained but it must not be allowed to be used as a political tool to ignore and maintain the root causes of ever-growing individual, social and global ills.Mike----- Original Message -----___________________________________From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">John CrombyTo: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:04 PMSubject: Re: List definitionHi MikeI'm sorry and surprised to hear that you had a bad response to your earlier post. I thought your characterisation of CBT as 'coercive bullying tactics' was fantastic. And I agree, the list should have more of a focus on how social and economic structures impact upon us in our daily lives.John___________________________________----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">MICHAEL SWINDLEHURSTTo: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 5:29 PMSubject: List definitionIt does appear from recent postings that there is a need to define who and what the discussion list is for. My hope in joining was that it may be a medium for discussing practical ideas to change the social and economic structures behind most mental ill health. A recent response to one of my postings certainly made me feel like 'riff-raff' and I wonder how many other 'experts by experience' members at client and CMHT level are afraid to offer responses and ideas for fear of feeling the same. 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I don't think so. ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL SWINDLEHURST To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 9:56 PM Subject: Re: Intentions Re: name consusion Sue, (wonder what 'consusion' means, so annoying to find spelling errors after sending e-ms) 'Spam' mean't in usual sense, except for any list members who may see my own lay member contributions as unwanted 'junk mail' (a way of acknowledging I am a non-academic newcomer). This appeared to be the case in Kim's 'riif-raff' feeling giving response to my posting about CBT - a subject, by long experience, my wife and I am very qualified to speak about. I immediately went to website and tried three times to get taken off the list (seemingly confirmed I was not qualifed to be on it) but the page buttons did not appear to work. Was about to block all e-ms from the list (auto delete them on arrival) when I found that supportive letter from John. Certainly no hidden meaning in terms of trying to criticise members other than myself. Am still finding it hard to believe that respected people like yourselves are even considering anything I say. Spam/Junk Mail/ phone calls trying to sell largely unwanted goods and services, stressfully invade our lives in so many ways and represent the consumerism I see as doing so much to control and pollute our minds and planet. So difficult to trust anyone and anything in this 'abuse one another by any means' world but I hope you recognise my nervous offerings as: '... people's very real efforts to do something useful in society..' As for questioning academics motivations, I have been passionately active in that for years and in co-operation with Uni Com & Clin Psychology supporters among many other health care workers and their clients. Unless you are suggesting your former academic 'superiors' were perfectly right to ignore all your hard word and good intentions, I hope you will agree there can be people in high positions who stop people doing the good work they could otherwise do and sometimes with devastating results. It is their motivations and 'expertise' I and others question', not those of you academics and graduates clearly trying to do great good against often 'impossible' odds. This was very much part of a Uni research project I participated in about a year ago. As a first step to looking at the barriers in research, the subject was Ethics Committees - a group of people we have never met deciding how participants may respond to life and research participation. Mike Swin ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue McPherson To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 7:23 PM Subject: Intentions Re: name consusion No need to apologise. I dont see any off the men doing so. Michael has just made a comment - or is it an accusation - about "spam infestations." Maybe he would like to be clearer about that remark - which emails are spam, or which posters. There was a post at the beginning of this thread - or has it changed now - mentioning a course he was teaching - and someone else wrote in describing it as spam. As I see it, spam are all those emails I get about Viagra and porn and personal webcams, though as someone once said, one man's junk (or one woman's) is another man's treasure. I thought it would hae been useful to talk more about the course being offered and how it might be improved, but I have no comments about that. It is so easy to dismiss people by calling their posts spam, when in reality the posts are people's very real efforts to do something useful in society. In a time when academics' motivations are under suspicion, it might be worthwhile for some of them, and indeed, some from within the community, to present their views on such matters. We have granted the gift of being able to interact using language. Let's not abuse that gift by putting it to questionable purposes. Your intentions matter. Sue McPherson ----- Original Message ----- From: Penny Priest To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:22 PM Subject: Re: name consusion Ooops! My apologies to both Michaels. I really must pay attention. There seem to be quite a few of us who are struggling with their right to be here and say anything. Whilst I struggle with this myself at times, I also struggle with my inability to keep my gob shut. I think there are merits in silence and shouting. Penny ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL SWINDLEHURST To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] name consusion Penny, Yes! must be many confused members around at the moment from recent exchanges. For my part, I have found every posting in the over-lapping strings very valuable because they have raised so many key issues, including anger and fear. Even the multiple question marks response sums up what I hoped you guys would be about on recently joining. Not possible to respond to every one, as much tempted, because it may only add to the confusion and spam and, I am still struggling to feel I have right to be here and say anything, despite many years being involved through other channels. Apologies for my current hogging of the list but our (wife and self's) national network of MH service users and the daily news suggest we need very urgent action on the ways we all think, feel and behave. Gender certainly a major factor in what can needlessly and negatively affect and effect us all, as with ethnology, research barriers, etc. Gender issues have been a major factor in my own treatment needs. I am a small, unattractive, 1000 year (at least) ethnically white British hetrosexual, retired, 'working class' male (i.e. a person (?)) severely emotionally battered by both/all sexes and the 'system' itself - feeling I do not belong in 'my own' Country or anywhere else. Strangely perhaps, it has only left me very concerned about the plight of all people - even Estate Agents. So sad that we continue to find so many ways to abuse one another - including via spam infestations - especially considering the amazing good we could still achieve as a species if we pulled together. I am also the old, worn out Michael/Mike (Swin..) at the opposite end of knowledge and influence to the Michael/Mike and others who have been kindly responding. Mike Swin. PS. Interesting for me to see your on-stage/screen experience. I was one of the' rude technicals' who designed the sets for you braver and prettier souls to go on. What a contrast to our lives now but at least we have had the experience to know people can achieve the 'impossible' when we work together in a caring and co-operative environment with enough material resources. ----- Original Message ----- From: Penny Priest To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 8:08 AM Subject: On a few technical notes Hello everyone I just wanted to point out that, in the midst of all the recent exchanges, I have sometimes received replies to postings, before I see the original posting, which can be quite confusing, obviously, as I sometimes find myself reading something, perhaps an angry response, but don't know what it's in response to. I just wanted to point this out to everyone, because I think it happened recently to Dawn. I've also been a bit confused by a couple of Michael's (Swindlehurst) postings which have begun 'Michael' or 'Thank you Michael', but on reflection I think you're just saying it's you here, Michael? Or are you? Aside from technicalities, I have been intrigued by my own and others' responses to Sue. These heated exchanges all began following Henry's posting about Mindfulness training, which I thought was a little strange turning up on this list (although I could imagine how mindfulness would fit it, but I do object to the current fashion of marketing it as a therapy - if people want to practice mindfulness, I would encourage them to join a Sangha). I then noticed the discussion swinging round to Sue's experience of doing research, which was elaborated on at Petra's invitation. Every time I logged onto my email over the last few days, I kept thinking the spammers had got hold of me again, before I saw my inbox and that it was this list instead, with many of the postings from Sue. Part of me thinks this is Sue's issue and nothing really to do with me, and whilst Paul seemed insulted on Rachael's behalf, it's not really Rachael that Sue is attacking, but the people Sue had to deal with when she was doing her research. Maybe that's no excuse for rudeness, but isn't that what happens sometimes when people get angry? Another part of me thinks in some ways it's almost refreshing to have some gut reactions on this list, instead of it all being dressed up terribly nicely and politely. I did wonder whether there was a male/female thing going on too, but it does seem that Paul and Michael at least are taking quite different positions. Anyway, for what it's worth, this posting comes with love from: a mother, sister, daughter, beginner-surfer, prize-winning fell-runner, former teacher, pissed-again pop-star (once supported Nina Simone), clinical psychologist, mainly heterosexual, angry woman (this is just how I see myself at the moment). ___________________________________ COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the UK. To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML For any problems or queries, contact the list moderator at [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 268.4.6/323 - Release Date: 24/04/2006 ___________________________________ COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the UK. 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___________________________________----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">MICHAEL SWINDLEHURSTTo: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 9:56 PMSubject: Re: Intentions Re: name consusionSue, (wonder what 'consusion' means, so annoying to find spelling errors after sending e-ms)'Spam' mean't in usual sense, except for any list members who may see my own lay member contributions as unwanted 'junk mail' (a way of acknowledging I am a non-academic newcomer). This appeared to be the case in Kim's 'riif-raff' feeling giving response to my posting about CBT - a subject, by long experience, my wife and I am very qualified to speak about. I immediately went to website and tried three times to get taken off the list (seemingly confirmed I was not qualifed to be on it) but the page buttons did not appear to work. Was about to block all e-ms from the list (auto delete them on arrival) when I found that supportive letter from John.Certainly no hidden meaning in terms of trying to criticise members other than myself. Am still finding it hard to believe that respected people like yourselves are even considering anything I say. Spam/Junk Mail/ phone calls trying to sell largely unwanted goods and services, stressfully invade our lives in so many ways and represent the consumerism I see as doing so much to control and pollute our minds and planet. So difficult to trust anyone and anything in this 'abuse one another by any means' world but I hope you recognise my nervous offerings as: '... people's very real efforts to do something useful in society..'As for questioning academics motivations, I have been passionately active in that for years and in co-operation with Uni Com & Clin Psychology supporters among many other health care workers and their clients. Unless you are suggesting your former academic 'superiors' were perfectly right to ignore all your hard word and good intentions, I hope you will agree there can be people in high positions who stop people doing the good work they could otherwise do and sometimes with devastating results. It is their motivations and 'expertise' I and others question', not those of you academics and graduates clearly trying to do great good against often 'impossible' odds. This was very much part of a Uni research project I participated in about a year ago. As a first step to looking at the barriers in research, the subject was Ethics Committees - a group of people we have never met deciding how participants may respond to life and research participation.Mike Swin___________________________________----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Sue McPhersonTo: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 7:23 PMSubject: Intentions Re: name consusionNo need to apologise. I dont see any off the men doing so. Michael has just made a comment - or is it an accusation - about "spam infestations." Maybe he would like to be clearer about that remark - which emails are spam, or which posters. There was a post at the beginning of this thread - or has it changed now - mentioning a course he was teaching - and someone else wrote in describing it as spam. As I see it, spam are all those emails I get about Viagra and porn and personal webcams, though as someone once said, one man's junk (or one woman's) is another man's treasure.I thought it would hae been useful to talk more about the course being offered and how it might be improved, but I have no comments about that. It is so easy to dismiss people by calling their posts spam, when in reality the posts are people's very real efforts to do something useful in society. In a time when academics' motivations are under suspicion, it might be worthwhile for some of them, and indeed, some from within the community, to present their views on such matters.We have granted the gift of being able to interact using language. Let's not abuse that gift by putting it to questionable purposes. Your intentions matter.Sue McPherson___________________________________----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Penny PriestTo: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:22 PMSubject: Re: name consusionOoops! My apologies to both Michaels. I really must pay attention.There seem to be quite a few of us who are struggling with their right to be here and say anything. Whilst I struggle with this myself at times, I also struggle with my inability to keep my gob shut. I think there are merits in silence and shouting.Penny___________________________________----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">MICHAEL SWINDLEHURSTTo: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:52 PMSubject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] name consusionPenny,Yes! must be many confused members around at the moment from recent exchanges. For my part, I have found every posting in the over-lapping strings very valuable because they have raised so many key issues, including anger and fear. Even the multiple question marks response sums up what I hoped you guys would be about on recently joining. Not possible to respond to every one, as much tempted, because it may only add to the confusion and spam and, I am still struggling to feel I have right to be here and say anything, despite many years being involved through other channels. Apologies for my current hogging of the list but our (wife and self's) national network of MH service users and the daily news suggest we need very urgent action on the ways we all think, feel and behave.Gender certainly a major factor in what can needlessly and negatively affect and effect us all, as with ethnology, research barriers, etc. Gender issues have been a major factor in my own treatment needs. I am a small, unattractive, 1000 year (at least) ethnically white British hetrosexual, retired, 'working class' male (i.e. a person (?)) severely emotionally battered by both/all sexes and the 'system' itself - feeling I do not belong in 'my own' Country or anywhere else. Strangely perhaps, it has only left me very concerned about the plight of all people - even Estate Agents. So sad that we continue to find so many ways to abuse one another - including via spam infestations - especially considering the amazing good we could still achieve as a species if we pulled together. I am also the old, worn out Michael/Mike (Swin..) at the opposite end of knowledge and influence to the Michael/Mike and others who have been kindly responding.Mike Swin. PS. Interesting for me to see your on-stage/screen experience. I was one of the' rude technicals' who designed the sets for you braver and prettier souls to go on. What a contrast to our lives now but at least we have had the experience to know people can achieve the 'impossible' when we work together in a caring and co-operative environment with enough material resources.----- Original Message -----___________________________________From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Penny PriestTo: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 8:08 AMSubject: On a few technical notesHello everyoneI just wanted to point out that, in the midst of all the recent exchanges, I have sometimes received replies to postings, before I see the original posting, which can be quite confusing, obviously, as I sometimes find myself reading something, perhaps an angry response, but don't know what it's in response to. I just wanted to point this out to everyone, because I think it happened recently to Dawn.I've also been a bit confused by a couple of Michael's (Swindlehurst) postings which have begun 'Michael' or 'Thank you Michael', but on reflection I think you're just saying it's you here, Michael? Or are you?Aside from technicalities, I have been intrigued by my own and others' responses to Sue. These heated exchanges all began following Henry's posting about Mindfulness training, which I thought was a little strange turning up on this list (although I could imagine how mindfulness would fit it, but I do object to the current fashion of marketing it as a therapy - if people want to practice mindfulness, I would encourage them to join a Sangha). I then noticed the discussion swinging round to Sue's experience of doing research, which was elaborated on at Petra's invitation. Every time I logged onto my email over the last few days, I kept thinking the spammers had got hold of me again, before I saw my inbox and that it was this list instead, with many of the postings from Sue. Part of me thinks this is Sue's issue and nothing really to do with me, and whilst Paul seemed insulted on Rachael's behalf, it's not really Rachael that Sue is attacking, but the people Sue had to deal with when she was doing her research. Maybe that's no excuse for rudeness, but isn't that what happens sometimes when people get angry? Another part of me thinks in some ways it's almost refreshing to have some gut reactions on this list, instead of it all being dressed up terribly nicely and politely.I did wonder whether there was a male/female thing going on too, but it does seem that Paul and Michael at least are taking quite different positions.Anyway, for what it's worth, this posting comes with love from:a mother, sister, daughter, beginner-surfer, prize-winning fell-runner, former teacher, pissed-again pop-star (once supported Nina Simone), clinical psychologist, mainly heterosexual, angry woman (this is just how I see myself at the moment).___________________________________COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the UK. To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML For any problems or queries, contact the list moderator at [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask]
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COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the UK. To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML For any problems or queries, contact the list moderator at [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask] ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C66B97.37F93330-- ========================================================================Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:17:59 +0100 Reply-To: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> Sender: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> From: Sue McPherson <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Intentions Re: name consusion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C66B97.B7A86CE0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C66B97.B7A86CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You know what's really funny. Even the guy trying to put on that coures would think I am nothing, because I don't hvae the degrees, the credibility. Nor do I have money or property that would provide me with credibility. Nor the man - the husband - or like Prescott's secretary, the man. so even people like that, who could do with some good, sound advice on how to improve their course, won't listen to me. thanks to the university of essex, my life had been fucked. Sue McPherson ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue McPherson To: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Intentions Re: name consusion That's all it takes is money, and you can buy your way in. Ethics? I don't think so. ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL SWINDLEHURST To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 9:56 PM Subject: Re: Intentions Re: name consusion Sue, (wonder what 'consusion' means, so annoying to find spelling errors after sending e-ms) 'Spam' mean't in usual sense, except for any list members who may see my own lay member contributions as unwanted 'junk mail' (a way of acknowledging I am a non-academic newcomer). This appeared to be the case in Kim's 'riif-raff' feeling giving response to my posting about CBT - a subject, by long experience, my wife and I am very qualified to speak about. I immediately went to website and tried three times to get taken off the list (seemingly confirmed I was not qualifed to be on it) but the page buttons did not appear to work. Was about to block all e-ms from the list (auto delete them on arrival) when I found that supportive letter from John. Certainly no hidden meaning in terms of trying to criticise members other than myself. Am still finding it hard to believe that respected people like yourselves are even considering anything I say. Spam/Junk Mail/ phone calls trying to sell largely unwanted goods and services, stressfully invade our lives in so many ways and represent the consumerism I see as doing so much to control and pollute our minds and planet. So difficult to trust anyone and anything in this 'abuse one another by any means' world but I hope you recognise my nervous offerings as: '... people's very real efforts to do something useful in society..' As for questioning academics motivations, I have been passionately active in that for years and in co-operation with Uni Com & Clin Psychology supporters among many other health care workers and their clients. Unless you are suggesting your former academic 'superiors' were perfectly right to ignore all your hard word and good intentions, I hope you will agree there can be people in high positions who stop people doing the good work they could otherwise do and sometimes with devastating results. It is their motivations and 'expertise' I and others question', not those of you academics and graduates clearly trying to do great good against often 'impossible' odds. This was very much part of a Uni research project I participated in about a year ago. As a first step to looking at the barriers in research, the subject was Ethics Committees - a group of people we have never met deciding how participants may respond to life and research participation. Mike Swin ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue McPherson To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 7:23 PM Subject: Intentions Re: name consusion No need to apologise. I dont see any off the men doing so. Michael has just made a comment - or is it an accusation - about "spam infestations." Maybe he would like to be clearer about that remark - which emails are spam, or which posters. There was a post at the beginning of this thread - or has it changed now - mentioning a course he was teaching - and someone else wrote in describing it as spam. As I see it, spam are all those emails I get about Viagra and porn and personal webcams, though as someone once said, one man's junk (or one woman's) is another man's treasure. I thought it would hae been useful to talk more about the course being offered and how it might be improved, but I have no comments about that. It is so easy to dismiss people by calling their posts spam, when in reality the posts are people's very real efforts to do something useful in society. In a time when academics' motivations are under suspicion, it might be worthwhile for some of them, and indeed, some from within the community, to present their views on such matters. We have granted the gift of being able to interact using language. Let's not abuse that gift by putting it to questionable purposes. Your intentions matter. Sue McPherson ----- Original Message ----- From: Penny Priest To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:22 PM Subject: Re: name consusion Ooops! My apologies to both Michaels. I really must pay attention. There seem to be quite a few of us who are struggling with their right to be here and say anything. Whilst I struggle with this myself at times, I also struggle with my inability to keep my gob shut. I think there are merits in silence and shouting. Penny ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL SWINDLEHURST To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] name consusion Penny, Yes! must be many confused members around at the moment from recent exchanges. For my part, I have found every posting in the over-lapping strings very valuable because they have raised so many key issues, including anger and fear. Even the multiple question marks response sums up what I hoped you guys would be about on recently joining. Not possible to respond to every one, as much tempted, because it may only add to the confusion and spam and, I am still struggling to feel I have right to be here and say anything, despite many years being involved through other channels. Apologies for my current hogging of the list but our (wife and self's) national network of MH service users and the daily news suggest we need very urgent action on the ways we all think, feel and behave. Gender certainly a major factor in what can needlessly and negatively affect and effect us all, as with ethnology, research barriers, etc. Gender issues have been a major factor in my own treatment needs. I am a small, unattractive, 1000 year (at least) ethnically white British hetrosexual, retired, 'working class' male (i.e. a person (?)) severely emotionally battered by both/all sexes and the 'system' itself - feeling I do not belong in 'my own' Country or anywhere else. Strangely perhaps, it has only left me very concerned about the plight of all people - even Estate Agents. So sad that we continue to find so many ways to abuse one another - including via spam infestations - especially considering the amazing good we could still achieve as a species if we pulled together. I am also the old, worn out Michael/Mike (Swin..) at the opposite end of knowledge and influence to the Michael/Mike and others who have been kindly responding. Mike Swin. PS. Interesting for me to see your on-stage/screen experience. I was one of the' rude technicals' who designed the sets for you braver and prettier souls to go on. What a contrast to our lives now but at least we have had the experience to know people can achieve the 'impossible' when we work together in a caring and co-operative environment with enough material resources. ----- Original Message ----- From: Penny Priest To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 8:08 AM Subject: On a few technical notes Hello everyone I just wanted to point out that, in the midst of all the recent exchanges, I have sometimes received replies to postings, before I see the original posting, which can be quite confusing, obviously, as I sometimes find myself reading something, perhaps an angry response, but don't know what it's in response to. I just wanted to point this out to everyone, because I think it happened recently to Dawn. I've also been a bit confused by a couple of Michael's (Swindlehurst) postings which have begun 'Michael' or 'Thank you Michael', but on reflection I think you're just saying it's you here, Michael? Or are you? Aside from technicalities, I have been intrigued by my own and others' responses to Sue. These heated exchanges all began following Henry's posting about Mindfulness training, which I thought was a little strange turning up on this list (although I could imagine how mindfulness would fit it, but I do object to the current fashion of marketing it as a therapy - if people want to practice mindfulness, I would encourage them to join a Sangha). I then noticed the discussion swinging round to Sue's experience of doing research, which was elaborated on at Petra's invitation. Every time I logged onto my email over the last few days, I kept thinking the spammers had got hold of me again, before I saw my inbox and that it was this list instead, with many of the postings from Sue. Part of me thinks this is Sue's issue and nothing really to do with me, and whilst Paul seemed insulted on Rachael's behalf, it's not really Rachael that Sue is attacking, but the people Sue had to deal with when she was doing her research. Maybe that's no excuse for rudeness, but isn't that what happens sometimes when people get angry? Another part of me thinks in some ways it's almost refreshing to have some gut reactions on this list, instead of it all being dressed up terribly nicely and politely. I did wonder whether there was a male/female thing going on too, but it does seem that Paul and Michael at least are taking quite different positions. Anyway, for what it's worth, this posting comes with love from: a mother, sister, daughter, beginner-surfer, prize-winning fell-runner, former teacher, pissed-again pop-star (once supported Nina Simone), clinical psychologist, mainly heterosexual, angry woman (this is just how I see myself at the moment). ___________________________________ COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the UK. To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML For any problems or queries, contact the list moderator at [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask] -------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 268.4.6/323 - Release Date: 24/04/2006 ___________________________________ COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the UK. 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___________________________________----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Sue McPhersonTo: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">The UK Community Psychology Discussion ListSent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 2:14 PMSubject: Re: Intentions Re: name consusionThat's all it takes is money, and you can buy your way in. Ethics? I don't think so.----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">MICHAEL SWINDLEHURSTTo: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 9:56 PMSubject: Re: Intentions Re: name consusionSue, (wonder what 'consusion' means, so annoying to find spelling errors after sending e-ms)'Spam' mean't in usual sense, except for any list members who may see my own lay member contributions as unwanted 'junk mail' (a way of acknowledging I am a non-academic newcomer). This appeared to be the case in Kim's 'riif-raff' feeling giving response to my posting about CBT - a subject, by long experience, my wife and I am very qualified to speak about. I immediately went to website and tried three times to get taken off the list (seemingly confirmed I was not qualifed to be on it) but the page buttons did not appear to work. Was about to block all e-ms from the list (auto delete them on arrival) when I found that supportive letter from John.Certainly no hidden meaning in terms of trying to criticise members other than myself. Am still finding it hard to believe that respected people like yourselves are even considering anything I say. Spam/Junk Mail/ phone calls trying to sell largely unwanted goods and services, stressfully invade our lives in so many ways and represent the consumerism I see as doing so much to control and pollute our minds and planet. So difficult to trust anyone and anything in this 'abuse one another by any means' world but I hope you recognise my nervous offerings as: '... people's very real efforts to do something useful in society..'As for questioning academics motivations, I have been passionately active in that for years and in co-operation with Uni Com & Clin Psychology supporters among many other health care workers and their clients. Unless you are suggesting your former academic 'superiors' were perfectly right to ignore all your hard word and good intentions, I hope you will agree there can be people in high positions who stop people doing the good work they could otherwise do and sometimes with devastating results. It is their motivations and 'expertise' I and others question', not those of you academics and graduates clearly trying to do great good against often 'impossible' odds. This was very much part of a Uni research project I participated in about a year ago. As a first step to looking at the barriers in research, the subject was Ethics Committees - a group of people we have never met deciding how participants may respond to life and research participation.Mike Swin___________________________________----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Sue McPhersonTo: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 7:23 PMSubject: Intentions Re: name consusionNo need to apologise. I dont see any off the men doing so. Michael has just made a comment - or is it an accusation - about "spam infestations." Maybe he would like to be clearer about that remark - which emails are spam, or which posters. There was a post at the beginning of this thread - or has it changed now - mentioning a course he was teaching - and someone else wrote in describing it as spam. As I see it, spam are all those emails I get about Viagra and porn and personal webcams, though as someone once said, one man's junk (or one woman's) is another man's treasure.I thought it would hae been useful to talk more about the course being offered and how it might be improved, but I have no comments about that. It is so easy to dismiss people by calling their posts spam, when in reality the posts are people's very real efforts to do something useful in society. In a time when academics' motivations are under suspicion, it might be worthwhile for some of them, and indeed, some from within the community, to present their views on such matters.We have granted the gift of being able to interact using language. Let's not abuse that gift by putting it to questionable purposes. Your intentions matter.Sue McPherson___________________________________----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Penny PriestTo: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:22 PMSubject: Re: name consusionOoops! My apologies to both Michaels. I really must pay attention.There seem to be quite a few of us who are struggling with their right to be here and say anything. Whilst I struggle with this myself at times, I also struggle with my inability to keep my gob shut. I think there are merits in silence and shouting.Penny___________________________________----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">MICHAEL SWINDLEHURSTTo: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:52 PMSubject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] name consusionPenny,Yes! must be many confused members around at the moment from recent exchanges. For my part, I have found every posting in the over-lapping strings very valuable because they have raised so many key issues, including anger and fear. Even the multiple question marks response sums up what I hoped you guys would be about on recently joining. Not possible to respond to every one, as much tempted, because it may only add to the confusion and spam and, I am still struggling to feel I have right to be here and say anything, despite many years being involved through other channels. Apologies for my current hogging of the list but our (wife and self's) national network of MH service users and the daily news suggest we need very urgent action on the ways we all think, feel and behave.Gender certainly a major factor in what can needlessly and negatively affect and effect us all, as with ethnology, research barriers, etc. Gender issues have been a major factor in my own treatment needs. I am a small, unattractive, 1000 year (at least) ethnically white British hetrosexual, retired, 'working class' male (i.e. a person (?)) severely emotionally battered by both/all sexes and the 'system' itself - feeling I do not belong in 'my own' Country or anywhere else. Strangely perhaps, it has only left me very concerned about the plight of all people - even Estate Agents. So sad that we continue to find so many ways to abuse one another - including via spam infestations - especially considering the amazing good we could still achieve as a species if we pulled together. I am also the old, worn out Michael/Mike (Swin..) at the opposite end of knowledge and influence to the Michael/Mike and others who have been kindly responding.Mike Swin. PS. Interesting for me to see your on-stage/screen experience. I was one of the' rude technicals' who designed the sets for you braver and prettier souls to go on. What a contrast to our lives now but at least we have had the experience to know people can achieve the 'impossible' when we work together in a caring and co-operative environment with enough material resources.----- Original Message -----___________________________________From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Penny PriestTo: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 8:08 AMSubject: On a few technical notesHello everyoneI just wanted to point out that, in the midst of all the recent exchanges, I have sometimes received replies to postings, before I see the original posting, which can be quite confusing, obviously, as I sometimes find myself reading something, perhaps an angry response, but don't know what it's in response to. I just wanted to point this out to everyone, because I think it happened recently to Dawn.I've also been a bit confused by a couple of Michael's (Swindlehurst) postings which have begun 'Michael' or 'Thank you Michael', but on reflection I think you're just saying it's you here, Michael? Or are you?Aside from technicalities, I have been intrigued by my own and others' responses to Sue. These heated exchanges all began following Henry's posting about Mindfulness training, which I thought was a little strange turning up on this list (although I could imagine how mindfulness would fit it, but I do object to the current fashion of marketing it as a therapy - if people want to practice mindfulness, I would encourage them to join a Sangha). I then noticed the discussion swinging round to Sue's experience of doing research, which was elaborated on at Petra's invitation. Every time I logged onto my email over the last few days, I kept thinking the spammers had got hold of me again, before I saw my inbox and that it was this list instead, with many of the postings from Sue. Part of me thinks this is Sue's issue and nothing really to do with me, and whilst Paul seemed insulted on Rachael's behalf, it's not really Rachael that Sue is attacking, but the people Sue had to deal with when she was doing her research. Maybe that's no excuse for rudeness, but isn't that what happens sometimes when people get angry? Another part of me thinks in some ways it's almost refreshing to have some gut reactions on this list, instead of it all being dressed up terribly nicely and politely.I did wonder whether there was a male/female thing going on too, but it does seem that Paul and Michael at least are taking quite different positions.Anyway, for what it's worth, this posting comes with love from:a mother, sister, daughter, beginner-surfer, prize-winning fell-runner, former teacher, pissed-again pop-star (once supported Nina Simone), clinical psychologist, mainly heterosexual, angry woman (this is just how I see myself at the moment).___________________________________COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the UK. To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML For any problems or queries, contact the list moderator at [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask]
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But there was always that sore spot on my cv, which cannot be handled well no matter what. It was always there - the end of the PhD, and the gap. Mind the gap. I think the women who were interviewing me knew, but the older man on the panel didn't. The culture prevalent in universities today probably weren't back when he began. He actually asked my what happened, why I didn't finish. there is no appropriate response to that question, and believe me, over the years I tried to find a way to put it on my cv, in the way that would do the least harm to me, and to the university. Nothing worked. One could say I wasn't suited for the job, but from what I've seen around in my life, that wasn't it. The reason was that there was a problem at the university, and if I was at fault, they wanted no part of it. If the university were responsible, then they didn't want me around anyway. Recently, I asked to have a small piece placed in CAFAS newsletter (Council for Academic Freedom and Academic Standards,) of which I am a member, but who have never done anything to assist me in my situation with the university. It went like this: I recently had the following email interaction with a university professor, which I believe illustrates one of the problems that can arise from unresolved disputes between students and professors at universities. The interaction began with my request to him to act as referee, if required, for a job I was applying for. I would like to put your name down as referee for a job I am applying for, to do teaching at a university. I hope that's alright. He responded, I am certainly able to write a reference for you, upon which I wrote again, asking, Will you, if asked? Would you write a good one? My concern was that he would not write one, or if he did, if would not reflect my capabilities. But he wrote back, saying, Sorry if my last message was not sufficiently clear. I was confirming that I am happy for you to put my name down as a referee and that I will write a reference in support of your application when asked. He always did have a precise way of writing. Since being forced out of university I have applied for many jobs, and despite the good references I believed would have been written about me, had not been able to get one. I decided to write back to the professor, expressing my concerns over the lack of results, despite many times having put his name down as referee on my application: You don't think that whatever good things you might say contradict your actions - ie. withdrawing your support as supervisor of my PhD dissertation? I haven't worked since you did that, you know. You do realise that you have the power to stop me from getting ahead at all. Just because you do pretty much next to nothing doesn't mean that secretaries, colleagues, other students, etc. don't try and do what they think you want, whether it is or not, in regards to me. And if not what you want, then its another professor with whom I'd had problems they're trying to please. They say men often don't realise the power they have. You're not the first one I met who overdid it and contributed to putting me down at the bottom. You're a very powerful man. Too bad you don't know how to use it in a good way. And if it's because you don't want to, then you're something worse than just unaware. I hadn't really expected a response from the professor. And the other one, the one who made sure I didn't get to teach any more as a student, had closed me out long ago, not even allowing me to correspond by email. I didn't imagine I was telling him anything he didn't already know. We (those of us in unresolved disputes) keep hoping that things will end up all right, that life really is fair. But it isn't, is it. Sue McPherson 2005 Later, I asked CAFAS to place it in the wider public view, on their website. But they wouldn't. Sue McPherson ----- Original Message ----- From: Adele Laing {PG} To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 2:16 PM Subject: New Wonder Drug OAS_AD('x90'); Some of you might find this interesting, apologies to those who don't. http://www.theonion.com/content/node/46032 adele -- The University of Stirling is a university established in Scotland by charter at Stirling, FK9 4LA. Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not disclose, copy or deliver this message to anyone and any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. 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I recently had the following email interaction with a university professor, which I believe illustrates one of the problems that can arise from unresolved disputes between students and professors at universities.
The interaction began with my request to him to act as referee, if required, for a job I was applying for.
I would like to put your name down as referee for a job I am applying
for, to do teaching at a university. I hope that’s alright.
He responded,
I am certainly able to write a reference for you,
upon which I wrote again, asking,
Will you, if asked? Would you write a good one?
My concern was that he would not write one, or if he did, if would not reflect my capabilities. But he wrote back, saying,
Sorry if my last message was not sufficiently clear. I was confirming that
I am happy for you to put my name down as a referee and that I will write
a reference in support of your application when asked.
He always did have a precise way of writing.
Since being forced out of university I have applied for many jobs, and despite the good references I believed would have been written about me, had not been able to get one. I decided to write back to the professor, expressing my concerns over the lack of results, despite many times having put his name down as referee on my application:
You don’t think that whatever good things you might say contradict your actions - ie. withdrawing your support as supervisor of my PhD dissertation?
I haven’t worked since you did that, you know.
You do realise that you have the power to stop me from getting ahead at all. Just because you do pretty much next to nothing doesn’t mean that secretaries, colleagues, other students, etc. don’t try and do what they think you want, whether it is or not, in regards to me. And if not what you want, then its another professor with whom I’d had problems they’re trying to please.
They say men often don’t realise the power they have. You’re not the first one I met who overdid it and contributed to putting me down at the bottom. You’re a very powerful man. Too bad you don’t know how to use it in a good way. And if it’s because you don’t want to, then you’re something worse than just unaware.
I hadn’t really expected a response from the professor. And the other one, the one who made sure I didn’t get to teach any more as a student, had closed me out long ago, not even allowing me to correspond by email. I didn’t imagine I was telling him anything he didn’t already know. We (those of us in unresolved disputes) keep hoping that things will end up all right, that life really is fair. But it isn’t, is it.
Sue McPherson 2005
Later, I asked CAFAS to place it in the wider public view, on their website. But they wouldn't.
Sue McPherson
___________________________________----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Adele Laing {PG}To: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 2:16 PMSubject: New Wonder DrugOAS_AD('x90'); Some of you might find this interesting, apologies to those who don't.adele--
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COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the UK. To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML For any problems or queries, contact the list moderator at [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask] ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C66B9E.817CC380-- ========================================================================Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 21:36:28 +0100 Reply-To: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> Sender: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> From: MICHAEL SWINDLEHURST <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Research MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A1_01C66BD4.F8F19AE0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01C66BD4.F8F19AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From Mike Swin(dlehurst) Adele, Certainly interested in this new 'Wonder Drug' myself. Wife and I have long been experimental guinea pigs/dustbins for such chemical concoctions. In this last week, we have had yet another Psychiatrist in our home offering my wife one of the latest for her severe OCD. Same old story "but these are better than the last" (that caused you all those problems). Numerous times down the years we have had: 'if you do not go on them, we will not help you'. We use a phrase 'Hugs, not Drugs or Thugs' for summing up our experiences of years on drugs and therapies. This new drug certainly raises many questions. Petra, Partly due to above, research is my main interest so have been a participant for many years where possible. The researcher on subject of Ethics Commitees set up a website for it. Have just checked whether it is still online and it is. Site is: http://psy.ex.ac.uk/~rscarric/index.html As an outsider participant, I would suggest trying this as first step to finding out what you wish to know but if this does not produce what you need, I could contact Exeter and explain your interest. I am very willing to share anything about my experiences as a participant but am not sure whether I am allowed to in terms of any ethics, rules and regulations regarding this. I am not even sure whether it is OK to tell you about the website so hope I have done nothing wrong here. You and the other list members will know about all these things so I am happy to share anything that you know is OK to do so. Sue, If I do have any power and greater than at any other time in my life, it is because I well know what it feels like to be nothing - rejected by those I loved and needed most, falling from a position of respect and influence that I had struggled against the odds to gain, alone in the world with no-one caring, hungry, penniless and reduced to the dark pit trap of fear and despair. Though nothing compared to what many people have to suffer, I asked myself why and how can I can use this experience to help myself and others. Now with a dear wife and a social housing roof above my head, the process continues. ___________________________________ COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the UK. To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML For any problems or queries, contact the list moderator at [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask] ------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01C66BD4.F8F19AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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___________________________________----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">MICHAEL SWINDLEHURSTTo: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 9:36 PMSubject: ResearchSue,If I do have any power and greater than at any other time in my life, it is because I well know what it feels like to be nothing - rejected by those I loved and needed most, falling from a position of respect and influence that I had struggled against the odds to gain, alone in the world with no-one caring, hungry, penniless and reduced to the dark pit trap of fear and despair. Though nothing compared to what many people have to suffer, I asked myself why and how can I can use this experience to help myself and others. Now with a dear wife and a social housing roof above my head, the process continues.
COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the UK. To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML For any problems or queries, contact the list moderator at [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask] ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C66BD9.19F4B2A0-- ========================================================================Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:23:09 +0100 Reply-To: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> Sender: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> From: Sue McPherson <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Research MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C66BDB.7EFFC8E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C66BDB.7EFFC8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael, I do research on retirement and ageing, and have interviewed people for my website, Diversity in Retirement. I have written essays explaining what I do, what the site is for, and how I conduct the interviews and the writing up of the life stories. These are all available on the website. I have interviewed people by email, and not until they approve of the life story do I place it on the website. The life stories are on men and women in Canada, the US, and the UK. As yet I have had no participants from within academia in England itself, but I wouldn't mind, if anyone is interested, or even if they're not, at this point. I have four different themes, so far, which can be viewed on the main page, http://www.diversityinretirement.net . If anyone has a question they would like to ask, I would be glad to answer. Sue McPherson ----- Original Message ----- From: MICHAEL SWINDLEHURST To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 9:36 PM Subject: Research Partly due to above, research is my main interest so have been a participant for many years where possible. The researcher on subject of Ethics Commitees set up a website for it. Have just checked whether it is still online and it is. Site is: ___________________________________ COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the UK. To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML For any problems or queries, contact the list moderator at [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask] ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C66BDB.7EFFC8E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
___________________________________----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">MICHAEL SWINDLEHURSTTo: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 9:36 PMSubject: ResearchPartly due to above, research is my main interest so have been a participant for many years where possible. The researcher on subject of Ethics Commitees set up a website for it. Have just checked whether it is still online and it is. Site is:
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COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the UK. To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML For any problems or queries, contact the list moderator at [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask] ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C66C49.AA5F69F0-- ========================================================================Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:21:23 +0100 Reply-To: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> Sender: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> From: Sue McPherson <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Leaving the list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0091_01C66C50.989D31A0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C66C50.989D31A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am concerned that you are offering an ultimatum, and that it may have something to do with me (and especially my most recent post). I would hope that rather than resort to this kind of either/or thinking, that a choice has to be made between this or that, right or wrong, good or bad, that you wil take a truly acadeci approach and express your concerns logically, rather than generalize or trying to use pschology (and your credentials) to get your own way. What exactly is your problem? Sue McPherson ----- Original Message ----- From: Hilary Gray To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 11:31 AM Subject: Leaving the list Please note that I am leaving the Community Psychology list at Jiscmail because of what seems to me to be the very quality of the present string of postings. Hilary Gray (writing in a personal capacity) Dr. Hilary Gray Secretary, British & East European Psychology Group +44(0)1629 822915 http://www.beepg.org.uk ___________________________________ COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the UK. To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML For any problems or queries, contact the list moderator at [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask] ___________________________________ COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the UK. To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML For any problems or queries, contact the list moderator at [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask] ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C66C50.989D31A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
___________________________________----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Hilary GrayTo: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 11:31 AMSubject: Leaving the listPlease note that I am leaving the Community Psychology list at Jiscmail because of what seems to me to be the very quality of the present string of postings.Hilary Gray (writing in a personal capacity)Dr. Hilary Gray___________________________________
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Subject: Cultural historical approach to psychology in Cuban NHS- talk at
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CULTURAL HISTORICAL PSYCHOLOGY IN THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IN CUBA
Dr. Israel Mayo Parra, University of Holguin, Cuba.
Israel Mayo is a BPS Visiting Fellow.
Friday 12 May at 3.00pm
At Manchester Metropolitan University, Elizabeth Gaskell Campus,
Hathersage Road, Manchester.
Note: The Historical Cultural Approach is the Vygotskian approach. It
is important in Cuba and informs both theory and practice, alongside a
variety of other approaches many of which are more familiar to us here.
This talk will not be on Community Psychology as such, but it is
relevant, particularly since in Cuba there is a significant development
of community health psychology.
Israel will also be speaking in Birmingham (9 and 10 May), Leicester (15
May), Nottingham (17 May) and London (UEL) (18 May) - maybe those
organising will also post details to the list.
Mark Burton
www.compsy.org.uk
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Dear Michael and everyone,
Just to assure you and everyone else that, at least as far as we are concerned, there is no question of anyone being 'thrown off the site.' Indeed we are not sure who could do it even if they wanted to.
Rebekah Pratt and I are currently the moderators of this list. We do not see the role of moderator as to do with vetting 'quality' of the content of what members post or the style in which they post it and certainly not with censoring discussion. Indeed we are committed to encouraging / defending diversity re. who posts, how they post it and what they post (with the exception of course of material which could get the list closed down or is oppressive [racist, homophobic, heterosexist, etc.). We manage the list as a space for members but the space belongs to the members.
That does not mean we have no opinions about, or positions on, recent posts and discussion by members, of course. There are few places where people who are committed to progressive critical community psychology can engage in serious sustained debate about it, challenge each other critically as colleagues, provide a form of solidarity for each other which can sustain each of us in our struggles with the status quo. We moderate this list in the hope that it can be such a forum. Because everyone is free to post what they like does not mean that everyone should exercise that right indiscriminately. Whilst sharing personal disclosures, expressing legitimate anger at injustices and strongly challenging others, etc. may sometimes have an appropriate place on a critical community psychology list, there are many other forums for doing that which may often be more suitable. Sometimes there are times when it is appropriate for a topic of discussion to move off the list, for example, when an issue emerges which involves or is of interest to two or three people only, but again that is something for list members to judge for themselves.
We hope that all members will value this list, primarily, as a forum for critical community psychology debate, but it is up to members whether they actually do so.
So that list members can choose which threads to follow and which to ignore (and so that the list archives are more usefully signposted), it may be helpful to post a transparently meaningful phrase in the subject line and to confine yourself to discussion of that issue as far as possible, starting a new subject line for a new subject. List members could then more easily follow message threads in which they were interested and ignore / delete those in which they were not.
Best wishes,
Rebekah and David
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As a representative of the general public, I am among the first to support those who do good at all levels but first among those to question people in high positions of influence who should not be in those positions because of the great harm they can do to the rest of us. This is all the more likely if they have little humility and demonstrate a belief that they are superior to others. No Hilary, the days of expecting respect and power just because of the title acquired are fading fast and all to the common good.
Mike S
Sue,
Looks as if we are about to be thrown off the site so I wish you well and do hope you gain those essentials we all need to be of use to ourselves or anyone else.
Take care,
Mike S
From: Hilary Gray Dear Michael and everyone,
Rebekah Pratt and I are currently
the moderators of this list. We do not see the role of moderator as to do with
vetting 'quality' of the content of what members post or the style in which they
post it and certainly not with censoring discussion. Indeed we are committed to
encouraging / defending diversity re. who posts, how they post it and what they
post (with the exception of course of material which could get the list closed
down or is oppressive [racist, homophobic, heterosexist, etc.). We manage the
list as a space for members but the space belongs to the members.
That does not mean we have no
opinions about, or positions on, recent posts and discussion by members, of
course. There are few places where people who are committed to progressive
critical community psychology can engage in serious sustained debate about it,
challenge each other critically as colleagues, provide a form of solidarity for
each other which can sustain each of us in our struggles with the status quo. We
moderate this list in the hope that it can be such a forum. Because everyone is
free to post what they like does not mean that everyone should exercise that
right indiscriminately. Whilst sharing personal disclosures, expressing
legitimate anger at injustices and strongly challenging others, etc. may
sometimes have an appropriate place on a critical community psychology list,
there are many other forums for doing that which may often be more suitable.
Sometimes there are times when it is appropriate for a topic of discussion to
move off the list, for example, when an issue emerges which involves or is of
interest to two or three people only, but again that is something for list
members to judge for themselves. We hope that all members will value
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CULTURAL HISTORICAL PSYCHOLOGY IN THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IN CUBA
Dr. Israel Mayo Parra, University of Holguin, Cuba.
Israel Mayo is a BPS Visiting Fellow.
Friday 12 May at 3.00pm
At Manchester Metropolitan University, Elizabeth Gaskell Campus,
Hathersage Road, Manchester.
Note: The Historical Cultural Approach is the Vygotskian approach. It
is important in Cuba and informs both theory and practice, alongside a
variety of other approaches many of which are more familiar to us here.
This talk will not be on Community Psychology as such, but it is
relevant, particularly since in Cuba there is a significant development
of community health psychology.
Israel will also be speaking in Birmingham (9 and 10 May), Leicester
(15 May), Nottingham (17 May) and London (UEL) (18 May) - maybe those
organising will also post details to the list.
Mark Burton
www.compsy.org.uk
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concerned, there is no question of anyone being 'thrown off the site.' Indeed we
are not sure who could do it even if they wanted to.
So that
list members can choose which threads to follow and which to ignore (and so that
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Rebekah and
David
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List on behalf of MICHAEL SWINDLEHURST
Sent: Sun 30/04/2006
13:39
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Subject: Re:
[COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Leaving the list
As a representative of the general public, I am
among the first to support those who do good at all levels but first among those
to question people in high positions of influence who should not be in those
positions because of the great harm they can do to the rest of us. This is all
the more likely if they have little humility and demonstrate a belief that they
are superior to others. No Hilary, the days of expecting respect and
power just because of the title acquired are fading fast and all to the
common good.
Mike S
Sue,
Looks as if we are about to be thrown off the site
so I wish you well and do hope you gain those essentials we all need to be of
use to ourselves or anyone else.
Take care,
Mike S
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Please note that I am leaving the Community
Psychology list at Jiscmail because of what seems to me to be the very quality
of the present string of postings.
Hilary Gray (writing in a personal
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