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Surely the idea is to apply theory to the practice, in this case, what's wrong with the course as described a couple a posts ago.  You're talking again as though academic knowledge is separate from the practice. And this, despite your saying that "the erroneous assumption that problems such as 'lack of motivation' (whatever that is, anyway) simply lie 'within' faulty individuals." And this is what I said aloso in my first post. So much for rational thought. That's academics for ya.
 
Sue McPherson
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Hi Sue
 
I'm all up for debate and discussion, and its not about keeping riff-raff off the list. I doubt that someone running psychotherapy workshops on a for-profit basis would meet most people's definition of riff-raff anyway!
 
And yes, sharing academic knowledge is important: but there are plenty of other places to share knowledge of/advertising about mindulness therapy. In my view, this community psychology list is not one of them. I don't way to see this forum hijacked and turned into another branch of mainstream individualistic therapy-peddling.
 
But hey its not *my* list: others could, and no doubt do, disagree. Let's have a debate.....
 
John
 
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As the academic you are, I would hope that you would want to see academic knowledge brought into the public sphere more, so that what could be considered inappropriate forms of treatment in the real world can be adapted to a changing society.
 
If you would prefer to keep separate the academic world and the practical one, it is certainly within your power to do so. But surely such a place as academia relies on what is going on in society to inform its research. Otherwise, all research would become an academic excercise, not based in reality.  Maybe you would just prefer to keep the riff-raff off this list - this list - though not encourage all lists to do the same. Sort of a compromise in mindfulness.
 
Sue McPherson
 
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> As an academic (rather than a clinician), I'm very interested in advancing
> knowledge in the interest of bettering the lives of people suffering from
> various forms of distress.
>
> Nevertheless, I found your email advertising therapy training workshops
> wholly inappropriate for this list. If there's one thing that community
> psychology *isn't* about, so far as I can see, its selling individualised
> packages of 'expert' treatment premised on the erroneous assumption that
> problems such as 'lack of motivation' (whatever that is, anyway) simply lie
> 'within' faulty individuals.
>
> In my view your email was spam and has no place in a discussion group such
> as this one.
>
> John
>
>
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>
> > Hmm...Craig. I'm not so sure about that. Financial interest is not the
> > only kind of interest. I'm interested in academic breakthroughs and new
> > understandings that bring us to a new plain of ability and know-how.
> > This is what I think new developments in Mindfulness could do. I'd be
> > happy to do that for no financial gain. In mindful philosophies I think
> > the why and the what are inextricably intertwined. That's another party
> > of what makes in so interesting.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Henry
> >
> > ---- Original Message ----
> > From: ___________________________________

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