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Now I am seriously confused - I don't see the connection between Paul's response and Sue's reply - I don't interpret Paul's response as being about sex as suggested by the opening remark in her reply (I realized the mention of sex raises powerful emotions in people but this beggars belief. It's too bad controversial topics cannot be discussed) I thought it was about courtesy and respect toward one another, especially to a new voice on the list. The remainder of the reply does not appear to address the issue as raised either - or am I missing something here?? Dawn Darlaston-Jones WA _____ From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sue McPherson Sent: 28 April 2006 08:56 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] List definition I realized the mention of sex raises powerful emotions in people but this beggars belief. It's too bad controversial topics cannot be discussed. I feel I am in the same place gays must have been many years ago when they could not openly discuss sexuality and gays' process of self-discovery. Heterosexuals are particularly bad for this - I mean talking about their own sexuality, as part of being a heterosexual - for women at least, seems to be to remain unaware of how one came to be and what it means. For many women, sex - ie heterosex, is just a tool. That wasn't going to be the subject of my research. I hadn't realized how much of a tool it was, for many women. But I think the women I interviewed may have seen sexuality differently than women in academia. The higher women go in men's world the more they are required to act like men, in a way, to be like men, though the penis is not the equivalent of the vagina, and women's sexuality is not the same as men's. And women's sexual needs are not the same as men's. I had once hoped that exploring sexuality among older women might reveal something significant, that younger women might find useful, or insightful. But I think they are too busy proving themselves in a world with scarce resources. And men anyway are not keen on letting that happen. Sue McPherson ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul@home To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:25 AM Subject: Re: List definition The criticism that Rachael should not have included her 'credentials' on her first posting to the list was completely misguided in my view. Rachael was actually making the point that academics are not the experts. As such, by stating her university affiliation she was surely positioning herself as a non-expert. Before Rachael barely had time to reply to the rebuke she received, a further one was added to the list stating "And before you write back and say you are only a student let me tell you, when I was a student I was treated a helluva lot better in this world than I am now. " I just found that condescending, rude and disrespectful. We cannot presume to know what someone will say in reply to a posting nor presume to know another list member's social history or life experiences based on the social identity they have chosen and/or had imposed upon them. It is sadly ironic that Rachael stated that her contribution was the first one she had made to the list because, among other reasons, she was worried that she might be misunderstood. How right she was to be fearful. In the first replies she recieved it was clear to me that neither were her worries about posting to the list taken into account nor the content of her message understood. There, I have said my piece. Discussion has already moved on to the next target, which might temporarily be a social system or a social institutions, but may well default back to attacking an individual who will find themselves in the firing line as the list once again resembles more a jerry springer franchise than a space where people can engage critically with understanding the ways our social systems and social institutions effect our lives and how our lives effect our social systems and our social institutions.... That's my reason for being silent lately... paul an academic ___________________________________ COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the UK. To unsubscribe or to change your details visit the website: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMMUNITYPSYCHUK.HTML For any problems or queries, contact the list moderator at [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask] ___________________________________ COMMUNITYPSYCHUK - The discussion list for community psychology in the UK. 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