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No Mr Fox in this part of the world we don't say 'cheers, drive' we say ' cheers, driVER' unless of course you are too pissed to finish the word.You should get out more, young man. Best Nasty pernickety Dave (how's the babby btw?) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominic Fox" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Creeley poem It's not uncommon in this part of the world for people to address the driver of, e.g. a bus, as "drive" - as in saying "cheers, drive!" when getting off the bus. So it's also possible to read the "drive" in the last section in the vocative. It's intuitive to take the break between the sections as indicating a shift in speaker; but I guess another way to hear the break is as an unvoiced "y'know, really..." - the first speaker is getting carried away, imagining what it might be like to "buy a goddamn big car...y'know, really...*drive*", maybe taking his hands off the wheel and waving them around to indicate the expansiveness of the concept. At which point "John" interrupts... Dominic On 3/29/06, Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I Know a Man > > As I sd to my > friend, because I am > always talking, -- John, I > > sd, which was not his > name, the darkness sur- > rounds us, what > > can we do against > it, or else, shall we & > why not, buy a goddamn big car, > > drive, he sd, for > christ's sake, look > out where yr going. > > > > Note: Creeley found it amusing that his one poem that made it beyond > the realm of poetry readers and students into the realm of pop > culture is usually misread, as in the film title. He claimed that the > I of the poem says the word "drive," the rest is John's. Makes it a > more interesting poem (tho far from my favorite of Creeley's), but > hard to imagine how even a pretty good reader would get this. > -- Shall we be pure or impure? Today we shall be very pure. It must always be possible to contain impurities in a pure way. --Tarmo Uustalu and Varmo Vene