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I feel for the poor lecturer. I should add that the women in my Holocaust survivors groups were utterly fearless. The few men (our mortality again) weren't bad, but they had to fight to be heard. Mark At 11:18 AM 3/31/2006, you wrote: >Further to my earlier post, I do remember that when this fizzing, >buzzing, and by now *confident group of women aged between 38 and 65 >studied American post-war poetry (from Olson on) for a semester >alongside a much younger group of 'regular' Masters students, we >found that only one, male, student had as much to say as we did, and >the young lecturer seemed almost intimidated .... We took a >conscious decision to cool it. > >joanna > >>On the other hand, my experience in the (similar) Newcastle MA in >>Writing Poetry, where quite coincidentally that entire intake was >>made up of women returners, most with jobs as well as their >>domestic responsibilities, was that we were all, individually and >>as a unit, fizzing with creativity and excitement. >> >>joanna