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Hiya, In general, remember, we never get things right first time and this is a pilot project. The objective is to help us learn more about the challenges of encouraging the Open Source development model within AT. I strongly believe you can't learn without trying (well, I can't at least!). That said, I think we've got a bloody good product and am willing to start selling it and i'm not ashamed! Already this project has got people thinking and had some productive spin offs. Taking the points one by one: Marketing speak - fine, fair point, please log on and change it (someone) - this site is collaborative! That said, I stand by the points, with provisos (like any marketing statement it can be argued any way given the right perspective). How to add a project - check out: http://www.oatsoft.org/Info/HowTos/SubmissionGuide/ . Again, if you find something that could be worded differently or more helpfully please comment/change. I am also aware of the need for further documentation and content on the site to explain things like this. This was the nature of my plea for help about 3/4 weeks ago. I also need to better document the templates for adding projects, this is on Trac as a ticket. Sourceforge - Yes there is a problem with sourceforge. We want to develop a community of AT users and developers, sourceforge wont do this. Trac - see Andy's points. Trac isn't meant for end users particularly and PloneBugTracker is installed for every project as an alternative. I think it is a bit friendlier (though we are yet to formally decide to change to this as a team). It also removes some of the automation issues Andy was mentioning and we need to resolve the rest of these. Anyway, hope that helps, we need all input, so keep it coming and bear in mind i'm answering this after a long day of seeing clients! I'll reiterate my plea for more content, and thanks to those who have already added... Let's hope that we can get the ball rolling and actually end up with a sustainable and valuable site. (-; Cheers Simon Clinical Scientist ACT 0121 627 1627 ex 53245 -----Original Message----- From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jonathan Chetwynd Sent: 16 March 2006 12:18 To: OATs Project Special Interest Group Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Oatsoft Pre-launch final changes Stephen, Oats is maturing, however.... I'm concerned by the use of exaggerated claims such as: >>The OATS project is the world's first site dedicated to Open Source Assistive Technology Software. and >>The world's ONLY area dedicated to developing Assistive Technology software. these assertions aren't even close to the truth, and merely devalue the product. --- How to add a development project to Oats ? e.g. Seascape: Communicate through drawing - An SVG editor with a GUI designed for children and adults who are pre-literate. https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=155197 Is there a problem with sourceforge? it's true that accessibility doesn't get a huge plug, but sourceforge already took me a while to handle ~:" I did check the trac link but found there is no register button.... I searched further and found >> Email me if you want access ([log in to unmask]) but this isn't a natural way to encourage growth. Sorry Andy, no reflection on you... --- It's a huge task, and I apologies for not having more encouraging comments. best wishes Jonathan Chetwynd