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>you should have read that already: I expect such commitment to poetry from anyone who would talk to me as a practioner. hi Dave - i have read it already - but I'd forgotten it - but now i've read it again - Parts of it reminded me of Benny Hill (who i like) actually, "you've got the hoo-ha's coming to you" Edmund Edmund I might, in e-mail land, act the part of a fool, but that's a defence mechanism, although I am far well read than many I am always conscious of the tones of social inferiority, it's a maelstrom of feeling, I always recall that when I first went on poetry lists I had this naive idea that I was entering open fora about the art I love, it's not so, as we all really know (that rhymes, note it: I must be a poet) At the age of fifty-one I suspect I have just grown up ( a couple of years ago Ms Croggalogs said something accusatory to me b-c on the lines of when will you grow up - she was quite right then, fair cop Al) My friendship with my ultimate human disaster area Victoria has made me acknowledge my own humanity, Vicky in turn is getting interested in poetry, it's also reminded me of my roots. Which is where I belong, always. One of the many little mental tussles is with my local poet, Mr WS, I'm from Warwickshire too, I love his writing at its best, I also hate the fucker because he is the type of the West Midlands businessman who ran our lives in childhood. Pradoxes, paradoxes. Best Dave