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Good, David, I am glad you have made piece with Geraldine! Though like most I occasionally indulge in hurtful speech and writing, it's always a breath of fresh air not to get drawn in on that level. Does your public library order poetry books? Stephen > It's only an argument in an intellectual sense, Stephen, not the seemingly > personal one that the phrasing 'a seeming perpetual one with Geraldine' > suggests. > > Can't buy the book me duck because I can't afford to buy new books: I live > on minimum incapacity benefit these days. > > Best > > dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Vincent" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 5:22 PM > Subject: Re: A Berkeley Reading - Geraldine Monk & A Halsey > > >> David - >> >> If this is an argument with either me - and my ignorance of your history - >> or a seeming perpetual one with Geraldine, I think it best that we not >> dribble in the dark - but that you buy the book, and then respond on a > more >> informed level to the real text at hand. >> >> Thanks >> Stephen V >> >> >> >>>> Her book from West House is Escafeld Hangings (complete with a CD). >>>> Mary had some big troubles (apparently) with the head of State, as I >>> suspect >>>> the majority of England - including no doubt both you and Geraldine - >>> these >>>> days with Blair who, nevertheless, holds his subjects to his and George >>> W's >>>> suicidal war policies. I suspect there is a bit of ironic metaphoric >>>> identification going on between M and G. Geraldine's response is to >>>> embroider syntax and sing as hard as she can thru the vehicle of Mary > and >>> a >>>> bunch of it is wonderfully goofy in an elevated kind of way. >>> >>> >>> Thanks, Stephen. I fear the metaphor does not hold. >>> >>> Teflon Tony, thank God, is not the British Head of State, nor are we > +his+ >>> subjects. He is the current +voice+ of power though. Mary's imprisonment > and >>> woes were a direct result of the Machiavellian maneouvres of Elizabethan >>> power politics, which are best not to contemplate at this time of the >>> morning (it's a little before 6 a.m. here). And, too, that she was a > female >>> ruler at the same time as England had one: disaster! in political terms: > she >>> could marry an enemy!!! If the English monarch had been male at the time >>> they'd have married them off faster than you can say Jack Robinson >>> (actually, nobody seems to say that any more). Also Mary had the > political >>> and social savoir-faire of a sheep outside a slaughterhouse. >>> >>> But if the metaphor runs to G in Blair's Britannia not being noticed by >>> Sheffield as Mary was in imprisonment there, well, I can't say it fits. >>> Ironic, yes, indeed. >>> >>>> Geraldine's response is to >>>> embroider syntax and sing as hard as she can thru the vehicle of Mary > and >>> a >>>> bunch of it is wonderfully goofy in an elevated kind of way. >>> >>> I bet she does! She's very good at that. >>> >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Stephen Vincent" <[log in to unmask]> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 11:09 PM >>> Subject: Re: A Berkeley Reading - Geraldine Monk & A Halsey >>> >>> >>>>>> I gather it was not too glamorous - conditions et al - Ms. Mary in >>> prison >>>>> at >>>>>> the time. >>>>> >>>>> Sure, Stephen. By 'historical glamour' I meant that of the +name+ Mary >>> Queen >>>>> of Scots. >>>>> >>>>>> And, I suspect, in terms of Geraldine living in contemporary >>>>>> Sheffield, not to glamorous either. Put M & G together, etc. & see > what >>>>>> happens (as poem) along with Blair as head of State. Yucks. >>>>> >>>>> Unlike some of G's prior or latter work I don't know the MQS stuff. So >>>>> what's link- Mary of Scots, Geraldine, both a long time in, but not >>> from, >>>>> Sheffield, and Blair? >>>> >>>> Her book from West House is Escafeld Hangings (complete with a CD). >>>> Mary had some big troubles (apparently) with the head of State, as I >>> suspect >>>> the majority of England - including no doubt both you and Geraldine - >>> these >>>> days with Blair who, nevertheless, holds his subjects to his and George >>> W's >>>> suicidal war policies. I suspect there is a bit of ironic metaphoric >>>> identification going on between M and G. Geraldine's response is to >>>> embroider syntax and sing as hard as she can thru the vehicle of Mary > and >>> a >>>> bunch of it is wonderfully goofy in an elevated kind of way. >>>> >>>> I would quote but I am at work, David. >>>> >>>> Stephen V >>>>> >>>>> Just curious. >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Stephen Vincent" <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:59 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: A Berkeley Reading - Geraldine Monk & A Halsey >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> I guess of more interest is, apart from historical >>>>>>> glamour, what is the +significance+ re Sheffield of Mary Queen of >>> Scots >>>>>>> having been imprisoned there? >>>>>> >>>>>> I gather it was not too glamorous - conditions et al - Ms. Mary in >>> prison >>>>> at >>>>>> the time. And, I suspect, in terms of Geraldine living in > contemporary >>>>>> Sheffield, not to glamorous either. Put M & G together, etc. & see > what >>>>>> happens (as poem) along with Blair as head of State. Yucks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Being under Bush I cannot extend my sympathy too far! Yucks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Stephen V