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The entrenched notion of the road as a place of fundamental danger where it is foolish to venture unprotected is something I've encountered often when interviewing bus drivers... Ian ----- Dr Ian Walker, Department of Psychology, University of Bath, Bath BA2 7AY, England. Tel: +44 (0)1225 383908 E-mail: [log in to unmask] (academic) E-mail: [log in to unmask] (other matters) Website: www.drianwalker.com On 7 Feb 2006, at 12:04, Parkin John wrote: > I am starting another thread here I know, but.... > > My wife's experience when cycling on her own in Bolton (a town with > relatively little cycling) is that she is frequently verbally abused, > much more so than I ever am. We cannot work out the logic of this one, > because, as Tim suggests, one would traditionally think that females > generally offer and attract less aggressive behaviour. > > It might be that the road is viewed as a "dangerous place", where it is > acceptable for men to go, but it is not acceptable for women to go. If > therefore, a woman is seen in the road, the reaction is that the woman > must be in some way deficient for not having realised this "fact". Any > perceived deficiency in a person is often pounced on by the unloving > (school bullying as an example). > > Dr John Parkin > Department of the Built Environment > The University of Bolton > Deane Road, Bolton, BL3 5AB > Dir Tel 01204 903027 Mob Tel 07903 523017 > Fax 01204 399074 www.bolton.ac.uk/staff/jp10 > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Cycling and Society Research Group discussion list >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Jones >> Sent: 07 February 2006 11:22 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: The effect of cycle lanes on Cyclists' road space >> >> Peter >> >> Can't comment on recumbents but one thing that I notice >> whilst riding my upright is that I am given more space and >> respect by motorists when I ride with my partner in >> situations where I ride at the front. >> >> It is well know that higher response rates to doorstep social >> surveys are achieved by females rather than males for all >> sorts of reasons. I am wondering whether this same issues are >> at interplay here... Are women prone to less conflict than >> men? Do men respect females riders more than their male counterparts? >> >> Tim Jones >> >> Peter Cox wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> One of the things I and other riders of 'non-conventional' >> Bikes notice >>> (anecdotally of course) is that riding a recumbent one >> rarely - if ever >>> - gets cut up close, whereas on a diamond-frame it happens fairly >>> frequently. >>> >>> The suspicion is that drivers are forced to think about >> something they >>> do not recognise or that is out of the 'ordinary' rather than just >>> mentally file it as street furniture. How is your instrumented bike >>> equipped - does the kit alter its appearance at all? >>> >>> Peter Cox >>> Programme Leader in Community Studies >>> School of Social Science >>> University of Chester >>> Parkgate Road >>> Chester CH1 4BJ >>> 01244 375444 xt2039 >>> >>> >>> Quoting Ian Walker <[log in to unmask]>: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I emailed Pete Owens, who conducted that study, yesterday, >> to suggest >>>> we do it again with our instrumented bike which measures overtaking >>>> proximities. It would be great to see if those findings are >> supported >>>> with accurate measures. >>>> >>>> Ian >>>> ----- >>>> Dr Ian Walker, >>>> Department of Psychology, >>>> University of Bath, >>>> Bath BA2 7AY, >>>> England. >>>> >>>> Tel: +44 (0)1225 383908 >>>> E-mail: [log in to unmask] (academic) >>>> E-mail: [log in to unmask] (other matters) >>>> Website: www.drianwalker.com >>>> >>>> On 7 Feb 2006, at 10:43, Peter Cox wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> So does this mean that a full study should be undertaken? Anyone >>>>> >>>>> >>> got >>> >>> >>>>> time/money sources? >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps taking into account both gender and style/type of >> cycle might >>>>> be useful other factors as well as relative traffic speeds? >>>>> >>>>> Peter Cox >>>>> Programme Leader in Community Studies School of Social Science >>>>> University of Chester Parkgate Road Chester CH1 4BJ >>>>> 01244 375444 xt2039 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Quoting Tim Jones <[log in to unmask]>: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> This is an interesting critique of cycle lanes but with >> respect the >>>>>> methodology leaves a lot to be desired. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Use of one FEMALE cyclist >>>>>> - No randomisation >>>>>> - Selective use of evidence (i.e. to what extent do the >> photographs >>>>>> represent the true situation?) etc >>>>>> >>>>>> Tim Jones >>>>>> Oxford Brookes University >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter Cox wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello all >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Interesting study with photographs at >>>>>>> http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.co.uk/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you haven't already seen the internationally renowned >> "facility >>>>>>> of the month" pages on the same website then you have >> been missing >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> treat. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Peter Cox >>>>>>> Programme Leader in Community Studies School of Social Science >>>>>>> University of Chester Parkgate Road Chester CH1 4BJ >>>>>>> 01244 375444 xt2039 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> > >