Hi ben.. >>I think if one does look at the sabbat as a mindspace things become very interesting. For instance how does the sabbatic mindspace of the modern witches relate to the medieval sabbatic space?<< I've read academic literature not so long ago (of course I can't remember who, what, or where now) that said that there is a tendancy for some/lots(?) of Witchcraft historians to think that "The Witches' Sabbat" *was* a "mind space" if it was anything. I know that's a bit like what Carlo Ginzberg says in "Ecsatsies", but it wasn't him who I was thinking of in this case. Does anyone else know who is suggesting this interpretation of the Sabbat? I also think that looking at the Sabbat as a mind space is very interesting. I've done quite a bit of experimental journeying to the Sabbat, sometimes meeting other people there who we, beforehand, agreed to also attend. I must admit that my "journeys" were influenced by what I've read about Sabbats, and also artwork I've seen allegedly depicting Sabbats, and the site I seem to arrive at looked like a similar mountain site where I have attended real life modern Witchcraft Sabbats - in the post-1950's style of ceremonial Wiccan ritual, not a disorderly Baccanalia. I haven't tried escaping from these visual and text-based "preconceptions" of "The Sabbat", but maybe I will at a future date... I kinda drifted of into other experiments, but am still interested in the Sabbat. ~Caroline.