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Addition: Sorry, i left out an important point. Literary and similar personal creative uses of folk material *can* be v significant for academic study of folklore by providing evidence of a definite date and region when the item was known, and often useful contexts and comments. Thomas Hardy is the obvious example, and Shakespeare, but also Brontes. occasionally Dickens, and no doubt others too. Jacqueline --- jacqueline simpson <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > To Jason: > > If someone were to do a musical based on the Padstow > Oss custom (or paint a picture of it, or write a > poem, > or anything else creative), this would be a possible > topic of analysis for an academic studying modern > theatre, painting or literature. But it would not > interest the academic folklorist professionally > (though we'd probably find it fun, on a personal > level). > Jacqueline > > > > > > > > --- jason winslade <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > > > Maybe I'm taking this in a different direction, > > but I think the question becomes whether a source > > being historical or a-historical is ultimately > > relevant to the practitioners. Perhaps the 'idea' > of > > the hobby-horse as a fertility symbol (accurate or > > not) is more important and the participants are > > achieving important spiritual insights and > communal > > and/or divine connections from the rite. This > comes > > down to a whether it 'works' or not question. > > > > You can do a ritual that's completely based on > > fiction (say a Harry Potter rite or a Jedi rite) > and > > it can still have profound effects for > > practitioners. > > > > And the differences between a communal ritual > and > > a Broadway musical seem to be pretty obvious. This > > seems to creep into other questions of > postcolonial > > tourism. For instance, is a Balinese dance done > > mainly for tourists 'authentic'? Does it still > have > > the same efficacy if it is done for an audience of > > non-Balinese? > > JLW > > > > kaligrafr <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Aloha, > > > > On 1/16/2006 at 10:00 PM Sabina Magliocco wrote: > > > > >Lomax, who was a purist and considered revivals > and > > >revitalizations to be "fakelore," would have been > > horrified had he known > > [about the Neo-Pagan use of his material]. > > > > And here we have it! > > > > A notion like *fakelore* implies a critical > > apparatus of some sort that > > (some) academics and scholars use to determine > > authenticity and > > legitimacy-- > > for example, Padstow May Day is *folk-lore,* > > Berkeley May Day is > > *fake-lore.* > > > > Sabina mentioned the Berkeley May Day > > re-construction based in part on an > > ethnographic film being seen by one of the film's > > creators as *fakelore.* > > The > > question that immediately popped into my mind was > > what if some Broadway > > producer did a show *Oss, Oss, Wee Oss--The > Musical* > > based on the same > > film. > > Would that musical also be considered *fakelore*? > > For the same reasons? > > Would a new versions of one or more of the May Day > > songs and dances? > > > > Jacqueline lists some characteristics of Murray > and > > her work, among them > > a generally non-historical or a-historical > approach. > > Non-academics may > > make a-historical use of academic resources--for > > instance, developing > > pastiches of folk customs from different periods > and > > regions side-by-side. > > Is the academic critical judgement of both uses > > equivalent? Or does some > > extra critical notion inform judgements of > > non-academic uses? > > > > I'm asking list members to contribute various > > attributes of this critical > > apparatus that includes notions like *fakelore* > and > > similar ones from other > > > > disciplines and specialties. > > > > >We don't, however, get to decide how our work is > > used once we put it out > > >there. > > > > I agree. Just to be clear, in my earlier post, I > > wasn't asking about > > authorial > > or specialist control of academic resources. I was > > asking about how and > > with > > what critical concepts academics might evaluate > > non-academic uses of those > > resources. > > > > Musing OMG! They Encultured Me When I Wasn't > Looking > > Or Listening! Rose, > > > > Pitch > > > > <> > > --Ashleigh Brilliant: Brilliant Thoughts > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Photos > > Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get > quality > > prints in your hands ASAP. > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print > service from just 8p a photo > http://uk.photos.yahoo.com > ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com