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As the main journalist responsible for using material from this site in news items, I ought to make some comments. 1) It has always seemed perfectly clear to me that all postings were entirely in the public domain, given that membership of the list is open and all archives are freely available on-line. Perhaps some users should take more time and care to understand the terms under which they are posting. 2) I have myself posted on this list asking for contributions to articles, so regular users would be completely aware of my presence. This has helped the newspaper to produce better informed articles, reflecting current thinking and current issues. 3) I have for some time now contacting posters individually if I intend to quote them in any article, as a courtesy, and to discuss the context and any concerns they have about being identified in a newspaper article. 4) I would have thought that it would be more helpful to have a representative of the only specialist weekly higher education "trade" newspaper involved in such as list, to assist in our understanding of issues of concern to academics and university administrators. We are written for staff working in higher education. 4) As many users are professionals in publicly-funded higher education institutions, I'm amazed at the concerns raised about the public discussion/debate over issues of crucial public importance -- how academic standards are maintained and monitored in institutions. What became of academic freedom and free speech? Regards, Phil Baty Chief Reporter The Times Higher Education Supplement 66-68 East Smithfield, London E1W 1BX Tel: 020 7782 3298 Fax: 020 7782 3300 -----Original Message----- From: Plagiarism [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tracey Beck Sent: 19 October 2006 15:17 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Postings to the list I think this is a good suggestion. I have certainly changed from being a contributor to more of a 'lurker' following messages on this list being taken out of context and used 'against' institutions. It should be remembered that people sign up to this list because they want to improve and develop how Universities deal with plagiarism. Being self-critical is part of the process of developing better practice. If a significant number of people on this list now chose not to take part in discussions to prevent their ideas/viewpoints/suggestions taken out of context then it might be better to restrict membership. Tracey Beck --On 19 October 2006 15:08 +0100 "Curson Nigel Mr (CCE) k332" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Colin Neville wrote: > >> Thank you for this, as I was on the receiving end of such press >> treatment when a contribution I made to the forum discussion on >> proof-reading was used by a weekly education newspaper some months >> later, presumably during a quiet news spell, to link proof reading >> with cheating; and to me, this was a spurious and quite unjustified >> connection to make. It also connected me to the condoning of cheating >> practices: >> something that, after 20 years of teaching in FE & HE, caused me some >> private distress. >> > > As a member of this list but primarily a lurker can my add my two > cents to this? For many years I ran a Mailbase, then JISCMail list for > the Higher Education External Relations Association (HEERA). We made > this an open list for various reasons. Ease of administration was one reason. > Lack of technical knowledge of the HEERA committee was another (this > list was set up in December 1993!). The final reason was the thought > that input from communications professionals would be useful, and > would encourage discussions. To some extent this proved the case, > although one particular working journo wound certain members up and > had to be asked to leave. > > Over time, as both education journalists and university PRs became > more Internet-savvy, the PRs began to worry about how open they could > be on the list, and of course you couldn't always tell from an e-mail > address who or what some list members were. Because of worries that > the list might provide newsworthy quotes which could be taken out of > context, the decision was taken to restrict the list to HEERA members only. > Plagiarism is currently such a hot topic that it may well be wise to > limit membership of this list to .ac.uk only and/or make it closed so > requests to join go via the list owner. It's a pain for the owner but > at least people can then talk more freely. > > Nigel > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Nigel Curson [log in to unmask] > Phone +44(0)1603 593931 > Course Director, MA in Higher Education Practice Centre for Staff and > Educational Development University of East Anglia > > http://www.uea.ac.uk/csed/about/staff/nigel_curson.shtml > http://www.uea.ac.uk/csed/prog/acad/pgphep.shtml > -------------------------------------------------------- > > ********************************************************************** > *** You are subscribed to the JISC Plagiarism mailing list. 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