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> I am looking for a phonetic contrast which is difficult for English > speakers to perceive, as a control stimulus in a study we are setting up. The contrast between Swedish laminal palato-alveolar and apical postalveolar, slightly retroflex voiceless fricatives (kön 'sex', 'gender' vs. skön 'beautiful') is a very difficult one in my experience. (The latter fricative also has various back and/or labialized allophones.) Ref: -Discussion of Sw fricatives in Ladefoged & Maddieson 1996 -Section on Swedish in the IPA Handbook. /Olle E -- Olle Engstrand, PhD Professor of Phonetics Department of Linguistics Stockholm University SE-10691 Stockholm, SWEDEN Web: http://www.ling.su.se/staff/olle/olle.html Tel: +46 8 161245, 162347 Mobile phone: +46 70 2467423 Fax: +46 8 155381