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Hi, I just thought you should all know that since I posted the original email I've received an email from Sally Boettcher, Group Circulation Director, Mark Allen Group providing me with an explanation of internurse.com and intermid.co.uk. Maybe others that posted responses to the original email have also been contacted by Sally? It said that "for the duration of their subscription all existing subscribers to internurse.com will be given access to intermid.co.uk from January 2007. Intermid.co.uk will be Athens Authenticated. Naturally we will be contacting all existing subscribers near the time of their renewal to discuss their needs with the websites". It also said that "it is our intention to keep internurse.com a site for nursing content and intermid.co.uk a site for midwifery content. Intermid.co.uk contains the content from the British Journal of Midwifery from 1996 to current. Internurse.com contains the content of the following journals, some dating back to 1995. It is not our intention to remove any nursing content from internurse.com but to add to the site as in the case of British Journal of School Nursing and Gastrointestinal Nursing which have been added this year and our new launch in April 2007 Journal of Children's & Young Peoples Nursing. Internurse.com contains the following journals: British Journal of Nursing British Journal of Community Nursing Practice Nursing International Journal of Palliative Nursing Nursing & Residential Care Nurse Prescribing British Journal of Neuroscience Nursing British Journal of School Nursing Gastrointestinal Nursing In April 2007 we will add the newly launched Journal of Children's & Young Peoples Nursing". However, what wasn't addressed in this email was any justification for the pricing of the intermid.co.uk site. I thought you should also know that a colleague of mine also posted my original email to lis-medical for comments, and that there have already been several responses on that particular list. I think it might be helpful if someone from the Mark Allen Group might care to address the various concerns raised by members of this list. Cheers Lesley ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lesley Crawshaw, Faculty Information Consultant, Learning and Information Services University of Hertfordshire, Hatfield, AL10 9AB ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ email: [log in to unmask] phone: 01707 284662 fax: 01707 284666 list owner: [log in to unmask] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: An informal open list set up by the UK Serials Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Maureen Richardson Sent: 11 October 2006 12:29 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: British Journal of Midwifery will no longer be part of internurse.com but is on intermid.co.uk a 1 got the flyers from MA on Monday - and was so incensed I phoned them. I was told I would not lose access to BJM until our Internurse sub expires in May I asked for usage statistics and was told they would be emailed to me but have not had anything yet. This is the only e-resource costing this much for which I do not get usage statistics. We did consider cancelling Internurse when Ebsco brought out Cinahl in full text. Their Cinahl does include full text for BJM (BJM is the main reason we subscribe to Internurse) however although not an embargo there was a difference of two issues between Internurse and Cinahl. I can send people the comparison I did (I was looking at the fact that for what we pay for Internurse we could have had Cinahl full text for same money) It is a very brief comparison and was just comparing all InterNurse titles with Cinahl FT on 9th Aug if that makes sense Maureen Maureen Richardson Electronic Resources Manager Information Resources Learning Resource Centre Edge Hill University St Helens Rd Ormskirk Lancashire L39 4QP [log in to unmask] Telephone: 01695 58 4684 Fax: 01695 58 4592 >>> Louise Cole <[log in to unmask]> 11/10/2006 10:45 >>> Not happy about this at all. Bad timing and poor communication which is sadly what we have come to expect from this service. The price rises year on year for Internurse.com have also been worrying and if they start removing content without reflecting this in their pricing ... We haven't heard anything yet about BJM moving; and the pricing quoted seems absolutely ridiculous for one title. Louise Louise Cole Electronic Resources Team Leader Health Sciences Library Level 7 Worsley Building University of Leeds Leeds LS2 9JT Tel: 0113 34 35502 Fax: 0113 34 34381 E-mail: [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: An informal open list set up by the UK Serials Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lesley Crawshaw Sent: 10 October 2006 16:44 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: MA HealthCare Ltd - British Journal of Midwifery will no longer be part of internurse.com but is on intermid.co.uk at extra cost! Hi, We have a current subscription to internurse.com where we've been able to access the British Journal of Midwifery alongside other key nursing journals. We have just received a letter and a beautifully illustrated guide informing us that the British Journal of Midwifery is now being hosted on a new site, intermid.co.uk, which is already up and running, and guess what, the British Journal of Midwifery will no longer be available on internurse.com from 2007. Whilst there is an introductory offer until the 31st January 2007 which enables subscribers to subscribe to both resources at a special price of £5242.50 for 2007, once that offer has expired subscribers will have to find an extra £1700 + VAT in order that their midwives can access the British Journal of Midwifery on the new site. We are extremely concerned here at the University of Hertfordshire that this journal is going to be removed from internurse.com at the end of this year, and that in order to continue to access the electronic version of the British Journal of Midwifery we are going to have to find additional funds to support it. We are also concerned that other journals could be peeled off the internurse.com service onto other sites in the future that will require additional funding be found. There are several other MA Healthcare Ltd journals, which are now available as online only, but which aren't available in either internurse.com or intermid.co.uk, but only through separate sites. In each of theses cases the cost of the journal online has risen considerably over what the journal cost in paper e.g. Hospital Medicine now costs us over £1500 per year for online access whereas the print used to cost about £300 e.g. International Journal of Therapy and Rehabilitation currently costs us £300 in print, but the publisher wants £1500 for online access. Whilst we could just about justify moving Hospital Medicine to online only, we can't justify moving the more specialised International Journal of Therapy and Rehabilitation to online only. Do others out there have concerns about the splitting off of journals from existing sites at an extra cost and rampant inflation in the price of journals that move to online only? As one of my colleagues has just said "they've got us over a barrel" with this title. Maybe we should just go back to print! Do others share our concern at this? Cheers Lesley ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lesley Crawshaw, Faculty Information Consultant, Learning and Information Services University of Hertfordshire, Hatfield, AL10 9AB ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ email: [log in to unmask] phone: 01707 284662 fax: 01707 284666 list owner: [log in to unmask] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------- This email and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Edge Hill University or associated companies. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender as soon as possible and delete it and all copies of it. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. 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