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From: Joanne Playfoot [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 12 June 2006 16:51
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: calling all ACLIPs: what ACLIP entitles you to in your library.[Scanned]

I completely agree with you , I myself have  the BA qualification which I received in 1998 and have had a library job ever since. I asked the question as I don't know if people are just talking about MA/Postgrads and not the BA/BSC  because that is what studied, rather than thinking it is less of a qualification.

 

 From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 12 June 2006 16:43
To: Playfoot, Joanne - Infocentre <[log in to unmask]>
Cc: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: calling all ACLIPs: what ACLIP entitles you to in your library.[Scanned]

How can three years of full-time study be worth any less than a year's full-time study ?! I think employers are a bit lazy as they seem to use 'postgraduate qualification' to mean all librarianship qualifications including the two year diploma from way back). Certainly, I've only had one employer tell me they meant a master's when they've asked for one - the rest just assume that that's the norm. There are certainly less people going on BA/BSc courses than masters, so it probably is becoming the norm.

Joanne Playfoot <[log in to unmask]> Sent by: list for CILIP members working towards MCLIP status <[log in to unmask]> 12/06/2006 15:55 Please respond to [log in to unmask]

To [log in to unmask] cc Subject Re: calling all ACLIPs: what ACLIP entitles you to in your library.[Scanned]

Hi,
 
 Can I ask if people think that a BA in Library and Information studies (which is a 3 year course) is not as good as an MA or Postgrad Diploma? As I don't think that this course has been mentioned in the discussion so far  and I would be interested in seeing people's views on it. It has seemed on this thread that only postgrad course are up to scratch and the BA is being slightly pushed to the side.
 
Many thanks
 
Joanne
 
Library and Research Manager
IPC Media
-----Original Message-----
From: list for CILIP members working towards MCLIP status [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of SEC.STAFF
Sent: 12 June 2006 15:39
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: calling all ACLIPs: what ACLIP entitles you to in your library.[Scanned]

 
My God everyone. Calm down. My inbox is about to explode!
I personally am a bit disheartened that you can now basically become a 'professional librarian' without a postgraduate qualification.
As has already been said - what did I slog my guts out for a year on a full time MA for and get in even more debt!??
 
I try to think that employers will look more favourably on you with an MA or Postgrad Diploma than if you have gone down the new library assistants route and basically just had a level 4 qualification - makes me feel better anyhow. Plus at the end of the day I still have a postgrad qualification to show for my troubles.
 
Sarah Coyne,
Deputy LRC Manager,
Eccles College
 
-----Original Message-----
From: list for CILIP members working towards MCLIP status [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ann-Emily Brew
Sent: 12 June 2006 12:08
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Subject: Re: calling all ACLIPs: what ACLIP entitles you to in your library.[Scanned]
 

Hello,

Can I ask why an exceptional candidate would not have had the opportunity to gain a librarianship degree ? If they were that good, why would a university or college have not accepted them onto a degree course ?

Amanda Poulton <[log in to unmask]> Sent by: list for CILIP members working towards MCLIP status <[log in to unmask]> 12/06/2006 11:38 Please respond to Amanda Poulton <[log in to unmask]>

To [log in to unmask] cc   Subject Re: calling all ACLIPs: what ACLIP entitles you to in your library.

We decided at Northamptonshire that it was an appropriate equivalent provided that candidates can meet the required criteria for the post and of course they will have to compete with those who apply with a librarian qualification. Given the experience and professionalism that some of our library assistants and supervisors have to offer we felt that some, after having pursued the ACLIP route, would be able to perform as a librarian without devaluing the profession or undermining the librarianship qualification. I wouldn't necessarily say that it was an alternative route more that it gives exceptional candidates who have not had the opportunity to gain a librarianship degree the opportunity to pursue their career at a professional level if they can prove both through ACLIP and their experience that they have the necessary skills to do the job. Certainly CILIP encourages employers to "Consider offering financial incentives and career progression and development opportunities to successful individuals to improve retention of proven quality employees" and having investing the time in supporting ACLIP candidates to raise the level of their prefessionalism we would rather not lose them to another employer but offer them a career progression opportunity.


Amanda

Amanda Poulton

Principal Librarian - Northampton Area
Northamptonshire County Council
Weston Favell Library
Weston Favell Centre
Northampton
NN3 8JZ

Email: [log in to unmask]
Tel: (01604) 773901

>>> Steve <[log in to unmask]> 12/06/2006 10:46:36 >>>
Could someone clarify the purpose ACLIP and the certification scheme. I
understood it was to provide a framework for and recognition of training and
development for library assistants. Is it an alternative route to becoming a
professional librarian/info professional?

A second question - is there anyone in the Yorkshire and Humberside region
who works as a solo professional or in a "special" library who is working
towards chartership and wants to exchange ideas?

Steve

On 12/06/06, Amanda Poulton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Joanne,
>
> At Northamptonshire we have agreed that there will be no remuneration for
> staff holding an ACLIP. However, they will be considered a "qualified
> librarian" in terms of applying for professional jobs such as a team
> librarian.
>
> Amanda
>
> >>> Joanne Payne <[log in to unmask]> 09/06/2006 07:13:30 >>>
> THis is to everyone working towards chartership who have achieved ACLIP
> status.
> I am a library assistant and the only ACLIP in my authority and there is
> some confusion among management about what this qualification entitles me
> to in my workplace. For example:
>
> Am I entitled to a new pay scale?
>
> Do other authorities employ ACLIPs in a more senior post, eg below
> librarians but above senior library assistants?
>
> Is it an acceptable qualification to apply for librarian/management
> positions?
>
> Any advice from other ACLIPs about their experiences since certification,
> or information from managers of other authorities would be very much
> appreciated.
>
> Joanne Payne ACLIP.
>
> Amanda Poulton
> Principal Librarian - Northampton Area
> Northamptonshire County Council
> Weston Favell Library
> Weston Favell Centre
> Northampton
> NN3 8JZ
>
> Email: [log in to unmask]

> Tel: (01604) 773901
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