Out of interest, what happened next? A friend of mine is a recruitment consultant, and apparently the BBC will sack anyone on principle for lying about their qualifications, no matter how long after the event it was. But most other employers are far more pragmatic and take the view if they've done a good job for a number of years that it simply doesn't matter if they lied about their qualifications...... -----Original Message----- From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Broom, Doreen Sent: 12 July 2006 11:13 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [data-protection] Question for HEIs re confirmation of Awards Our audit team did such a check 5 yrs or so after a senior member of staff had been employed. Lo and behold - he didn't have relevant qualification. D -----Original Message----- From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nick Landau Sent: 12 July 2006 10:27 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Question for HEIs re confirmation of Awards If someone claims to have a qualification eg a degree, I would have thought that is certainly a matter of public record - and personally I would have thought that anybody should be able to check with the issuing body. I personally have had the opposite experience where despite having worked at organisations, former managers have made difficulties about supplying a reference. This is clearly a serious disability as most references are, as in the student examples, to confirm the bare bones of someone's employment history. An excuse was given that they didn't have the records. This was clearly specious as whilst they might have not had the records relating to work undertaken, they must have records of my employment for pension (and other) purposes. This was prior to FoI (but not before DPA) - and, no doubt, the individual could request records from a public organisation concerning themselves about their own employment. Nick Landau ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tinsley, Chris" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [data-protection] Question for HEIs re confirmation of Awards Is the information, if released, likely to cause any harm to the student? After all the results of exams are usually published in the local press. If all you are doing is releasing information to confirm that a certain student studied a certain subject during a certain period of time you would generally not need explicit consent to release the info as it would come under non-sensitive data. Not sure we need to get a signature for every bit of data we may have to release. If the agency wishes to obtain much more data the situation may change. We should not make ourselves jump through hoops everytime we are asked for something. Chris Tinsley Wiltshire County Council -----Original Message----- From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mandi Barron Sent: 12 July 2006 09:54 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [data-protection] Question for HEIs re confirmation of Awards All Currently we receive numerous requests from employment agencies and employers asking us to confirm that a student has indeed studied with us. We currently ask for the student's written authority to release this information however this causes a lot of work and prolongs the process. My question is this. As the agency/employer etc has been provided with the information by the student already, and we are just confirming these details, do we actually need to obtain the student's written authority to release, or is this implied by the student supplying the info in the first place? In such cases can we confirm without the students explicit consent? And what about cases where we are not provided with dates and programme of study, just that the student has claimed he is an ex-student of the University? Could we confirm or deny that and provide details of the programmes and dates of study if appropriate? This is different to the first scenario in that we would be disclosing (rather than confirming) personal information without explicit consent, however it could be argued that this is preventing fraud? 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