I can’t quite figure out how this surveillance in any way protects our fundamental rights and freedoms. I’m almost tempted to run some sort of a competition with a prize for the best answer. Of course, all entrants will have to submit their car registration details, address and times when they wont be at home. Oh wait a minute…I can blag that information of councils, dvla etc etc….

 

 

I think we ended up here "Because people could do it" and probably because prior UKIC incumbents let it slip by unnoticed.

 

A new item recently said "of course we will all have our journeys tracked" as though it was both desirable and a fait accompli.  But I don't want people to know when I have stormed out of the house and gone for a drive......

 

My son does not want anyone to know he has 63 different girlfriends, one for each day of the month )Ok, he works a strange month)

 

etc etc

 

Do we have any outcome yet regarding the case that has gone to Europe about the man who refused to say who was driving his car when a roadside camera caught him?

 

From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lawrence Serewicz
Sent: 23 November 2006 13:33
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [data-protection] Telegraph article

The absolutely fundamentally puzzling point for me in this issue is the following. Crime rates have not decreased, conviction rates have not increased, and fewer people feel reassured.  From a DP or rather a RIPA perspective, is the surveillance proportionate to the end?

I am aware there are instances where CCTV and other monitoring has achieved great results, such as rapid responses to emergency situations, and resolution of serious cases.  However, I wonder what the difference we would have in this society if we organized our arrangements different.  Hypothetically speaking, we have 100 cameras and 20 police officers. What would be the difference in terms of social order and crime reduction if we had 20 cameras and 100 officers?  Surveillance by officers walking the beat is quite different in degree, kind, and proportionality, than electronic surveillance through CCTV and T-Waves.  I fear that our reliance on technology, especially surveillance technology, creates a fundamental problem within our social relations.


Cordially,

Lawrence



Lawrence W. Serewicz
Scrutiny Manager
Management Support Unit
Wear Valley District Council
01388-761-985

Tim Trent <[log in to unmask]> Sent by: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues <[log in to unmask]> 23/11/2006 13:14 Please respond to Tim Trent <[log in to unmask]>

To [log in to unmask] cc   Subject Re: [data-protection] Telegraph article

I suppose people will say "Those with nothing to hide have nothing to fear", but, as a footnote to this says elsewhere on the web;
 
"But what if an innocent action today becomes a crime in the future, and what if there is suddenly a less than benign government?"
 
I'm not sure I am at all happy, the more so since I tend to believe that many of the alleged security issues which we face may me carefully invented in order to get us to allow ourselves to be monitored.  Of course that will take us way off topic.

From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Hitches, John F
Sent: 23 November 2006 12:34
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [data-protection] Telegraph article

Interesting article for dp people in today's Daily Telegraph "Yes, they are watching you" and can be found on
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml;jsessionid=13YNVBFYINW01QFIQMFCFFOAVCBQYIV0?xml=/arts/2006/11/23/ftsurv23.xml
 
John Hitches
General Administrative Manager
Kingston University
 

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