My issue is not about the value of the events, nor about any value that this
particular event has, nor is it about the good that events do in terms of
raising awareness.
My issue is that we have long had on this list a code of conduct that the
list moderator sometimes reminds us of. I will paraphrase it as follows:
"Every contributor to the list may advertise an upcoming commercial product
or service, provided they are a net contributor (hard to define, but I think
we all know what is meant here), provided that advert is simple, proper,
unobtrusive, and delivered once and once only."
That rule was formulated because we had a few years ago both a sudden
proliferation of adverts by non contributors and also a flood of outrage
against this list being used for Spam. While it is capable of several
interpretations it is a good rule based upon common sense, courtesy and
dignity of both sender and recipients. It is aligned with the stature of
the people on this list, all of whom except the list moderator are guests.
Several of us advertise events periodically. I do it, Masons do it, and I
apologise, but I cannot bring the others to mind. We are all contributors
to the list, often with strongly held opinions, or with expertise, or better
yet, both! Thus we obey the netiquette that prevails here.
It is when the netiquette is broken that my hackles rise. "Apologies for
cross posting" is *always* Spam if it contains any commercial element at
all. It means as well that the sender knows they are outside the prevailing
netiquette, and expects that an apology will solve it. That is as
discourteous as my punching you on the nose while apologising to you.
I stand fully by my argument that this post was outside the spirit of this
place.
-----Original Message-----
From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Turner
Sent: 15 February 2006 10:35
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [data-protection] Workshop event - Building a Business Case f
or Information Compliance
As I am a guest on this higher education discussion list, I probably
shouldn't pontificate on the dos and don'ts. However, via various JISC
lists, I have found out about and attended very useful courses posted by
more academically-focused organisations who wouldn't promote their wares to
the local authority audience to which I belong - in some cases, these
organisations don't otherwise contribute, but I've been glad to hear about
their stuff.
Surely if the volume isn't great, the relative harm of such communications
is limited? "Apologies for cross posting" is a pretty good marker, as you
can treat it as having the meaning "delete me if you delete this sort of
thing". And deleting an email is very quick, unless, as I say, the volume is
intrusive. As we're all likely to be corporate subscribers, there aren't any
legal implications of the messages anyway.
Tim Turner
Wigan Council
-----Original Message-----
From: Nigel Roberts [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 15 February 2006 09:45
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [data-protection] Workshop event - Building a Business Case f
or Information Compliance
I think Tim's point (which I have seen him express before) is that it's
generally OK to advertise something here that you are running or involved in
-if- you are a contributor (i.e you've added value) -and- it's on topic.
Simply signing up to the list and sending out ads is to be deplored.
Simon Howarth (RGC) Interim Information Governance Manager wrote:
> I have no great issue with people putting these things on (generally
> just delete them), but I am in great agreement about the "Apologies
> for cross posting", which many of these things carry. What they are
> saying is that "We are spamming this out to as many forums (fora?) as
> possible, and don't really care about it, so there". I very rarely
> read
these.
>
> Interestingly I occasionally run events, but so far have purposely not
> "advertised" on here, as whilst I can always do with the work, I
> respect this forum for it's views and discussions and do not wish to
> become known as the guy who sells stuff all the time. Maybe I should
> do it
once in while?!
> Hmmm...
>
> However, I will destroy my own argument by saying that I am always
> interested in events that Mason's run, due to the fact that I have
> attended their stuff in the past and they are well respected -
> although they *do* contribute here.
>
> Simon.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Trent [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 14 February 2006 23:21
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [data-protection] Workshop event - Building a Business
> Case for Information Compliance
>
>
> I expect I am not a lone voice here. I do not begrudge Mike Parsons
> his promotion IF he contributes to this list. But I do not accept
> "Apologies for cross posting". Correct me if I am wrong, but this is
> the first post from him I have seen.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mike Parsons
> Sent: 14 February 2006 17:46
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [data-protection] Workshop event - Building a Business Case
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