Clearly a problematic state of affairs but one as you intimate worth some discussion. For those who did not see the programme, from my perspective the stolen data being misused appeared to consist of data collected from customers (i.e. supposed credit check data) at call centres across many sectors, with mobile telephone company accounts being reported as an initial and primary vehicle. The problem appeared as one relating to misused commercial banking data as much as being collected from any banks data. The data did not seem to be collected only from one sector but more broadly. As such it could be seen as a direct threat to any commercial activity not involving the physical exchange of a form of currency, with the programme itself having the potential to be perceived as a reaction by a territorially protective market. One impression (or supposition) gained here was that the mixture of some imported personal data possibly controlled by a data processor agreement mixed together with data directly collected from the data subject on the direction of the data controller created a data set perceived as fairly obtained by the call centre staff, and hence available for their own use outside of the business itself; The only sometimes slight difficulty being removing it from the call centre, something subsequently directly relevant to the cost. Many of those factors are not uncommon especially in some of the newer or more competitive business sectors. On the surface the issues appeared to emanate from principle 2, 6 and 7 with the programme itself mainly focusing on principle 7 issues rather than the softer and arguably more effective but potentially more problematic principle 2 and 6 issues which provide some potential for a longer term and more resilient fix. I swear that to me the focus all round results from forms of short termism. Ian W Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:59:38 +0100 From: Nigel Roberts <[log in to unmask]> Subject: CH4 Dispatches I'm mildly surprised that there has been no discussion of the Ch4 'Dispatches' programme of the other night. It has certainly made me want to consider my use of particular banks. Does anyone know of any banks which do not export customer's personal data to India? -- Nigel Roberts BSc CEng FBCS DipEngLaw, Director Island Networks, 4&5 St Anne's Walk, Alderney, GY9 3JZ (GG) Tel. 01481 822800 (office) or 0870 321 2282 (direct) Mobile: 07010 7011 13 or +423 663 178 200 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.12/461 - Release Date: 10/2/06 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All archives of messages are stored permanently and are available to the world wide web community at large at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at : - http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm Any queries about sending or receiving message please send to the list owner [log in to unmask] (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^