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mIEKAL any thought about including the really early poetry in this spirit, I mean that poetry 16th 17th century (but with medieval roots) often seen as an antecedent to English nonsense poetry, but really a genre in its own right, such as "In the Utopian Tongue" The only reference I can find on the web is _http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A470954_ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A470954) but there is a lot about it in Noel Malcolm's excellent book The Origins of English Nonsense. As I remember this poetry quite often makes the connection to outer space, trips to moon etc (I can't remember if Mars is approached though) Giles In a message dated 19/01/2006 02:03:19 GMT Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes: I've been thinking this could be a useful anthology, if it wove together early linguistics, spiritualist automatism, Zaum, Dada & Surrealist poetry. I'd probably include the Craig Raines material only as an afterthought. By no means would this be exclusively American... Also for me the whole concept of Martian is a product of the early 20th century, it was a pervasive meme for the Other which was just out of reach of reality. To write Martian poetry now would be to participate in a very traditional form. Below is a link to my first attempt at rendering this early 20th century thoughtform as a visual poem.