From:
Martin Bazley [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 18 October 2006 12:46
To: Jane Stevenson;
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Subject: Re: Cost of training
courses
Hello Jane
For the E-Learning Group the aim is to generate funds to support further
activity (our only income is £12 annual membership and training days) while
keeping the cost as low as possible.
For a smaller group such as a workshop, we therefore need to charge more per
head to cover costs and make it worthwhile - we aim for a return of around
£1000 or so.
The concessionary rate is offered to students (unless they also happen to run
large successful commercial companies...) and those who work in organisations
with 5 or fewer staff. (see www.elearninggroup.org.uk/training.php
)
I find in general people are pretty honest about this, and in fact I suspect
that once they have done the sums and worked out the total cost (travel,
accommodation, food, cover where applicable, etc), the day fee is actually less
critical than you might think - but an important psychological factor
nonetheless.
Best wishes
Martin
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Martin Bazley
Chair, E-Learning Group for Museums, Libraries and Archives
www.eLearningGroup.org.uk
07803 580 727
For Society of Archivists' Training
Officers our general principle is to work out the cost of training events based
on working out the fixed and variable costs and dividing these by the minimum
number of people in order to arrive at the cost per person. I get the feeling
that maybe this is not the approach that many people take. Obviously if the
venue is free and the speakers are not charging a fee then this cost can be
pretty low.
It seems
curious to charge a higher figure to keep the numbers small but then have a
concessionary rate to encourage attendance by as many people as possible. I
certainly agree that it is good to have a concessionary for unwaged delegates,
who may be volunteers. What are your criteria for this?
all the best,
Jane.
From: Archivists, conservators and
records managers. [
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Sent: 18 October 2006 09:34
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Subject: Re: Cost of training courses
Dear Jane, Heather
The E-Learning Group for Museums, Libraries and
Archives recently ran a training day with the price set at £40 with concessions
(students, people in low capacity institutions) at £25. Because the venue
did not charge, nor the speakers, we made a sufficient return to support
further work by our admin officer and have another event planned for
April.
We are also planning another more workshop-like day
(Developing and evaluating Flash interactives), and for this we will have to
raise the price in order to keep numbers small, so a cost of £100 or so is more
likely. For this one too, though, we will offer a concessionary rate
(don't know what yet, perhaps £50), in an attempt to remove price as an
obstacle to attendance by those who would benefit from doing so - there are
enough other obstacles already!
Thanks to you and others for the very useful input and
advice on this topic so far.
Best wishes
Martin
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Martin Bazley
Chair, E-Learning Group
for Museums, Libraries and Archives
www.eLearningGroup.org.uk
07803 580 727
At 17:45 17/10/2006,
Heather Boyns wrote:
Dear Jane
Cost is always
a major factor when booking training courses. I, as I am sure are many others,
am employed on a specific externally funded project. There is therefore a very
limited training budget. I am very lucky in that my line manager sees the
importance of training and attending courses so I can attend those which are
relevant.
However, most
of the training course I attend are organised by the Museum Development
Officers for Hampshire and the Isle of Wight.
They are funded by Renaissance and provide training free of charge so that
anybody can attend from small, often volunteer run museums which often
don’t have any budget for attending training and yet are the ones who
would most benefit from it. They even provide a free lunch! All you have to do
is get to the venue.
I think the
Societies training events are generally reasonably priced but this,
unfortunately, does not prevent them from being outside the budget of some.
Heather
Heather Boyns
Archive
Project Officer
National Motor Museum Trust
Beaulieu
Brockenhurst
SO42 7ZN
01590 614759
From: Archivists, conservators and
records managers. [ mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jane
Stevenson
Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006
17:09
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Cost of training courses
Hi all,
I would be very
interested to find out people's views on the cost of training courses,
particularly those run by the Society of Archivists. There seems to be a
constant pressure to keep costs down, and that is understandable, but the
general principle is that the fee is supposed to cover the costs of the event,
so that the event does not run at a loss. I've recently organised an indexing
training day, and the cost worked out at £75 for members and £90 for
non-members. This seems good value to me. Many commercial courses are well over
£100 and often nearer £200.
Do you find that there
are courses that you would like to attend, but the cost is prohibitive? What do
you think is a reasonable charge for a day's course? What factors persuade you
to book for a course?
regards,
Jane.
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Jane Stevenson
Training Officer
Society of Archivists'
Data Standards Group
Archives Hub
University of Manchester
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