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Dear skawennati In response to your question: >I am quite interested in knowing how you (Kate & all) have >acknowledged the "existing logic" in other projects. I would say that in the work that I make with Patrick Simons, particularly in the two pieces we are currently working on, that we are atttempting to understand as well as we can, the dominant logic inherent in technological, bureaucratic and administrative systems. We try and understand these systems, not from within systems theory, which I think has a sort of diminished logic, but prefer instead what I perceive to be a much richer understanding of complexity found in the dialectical method of Marx and Engels, and which is articulated beautifully by Bertell Ollman. As well, we are trying in a small, gentle way, to suggest supplementary kinds of 'protocols' - ones based in a different logic. This logic values intimate encounters between people known and unknown, and is a logic that attempts not to reject, master, assimilate or incorporate ' the other'. It seems that in your CyberPowWow project, you are also challenging dominant, bourgeois logic by proposing a supplementary space that exists alongside it. best wishes Kate ==========================================