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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture To briefly clarify, I don't think I was meaning anything very specific when using 'cross-fertilisation' rather than 'awareness' or even 'contact in some way shape or form': it just struck me that something like this (I'm hedging my bets here for the sake of brevity) is pretty well established for the c11/ c12 -- the examples V K Inman listed are good ones, I could suggest others. But it was new to me for the c14 -- and Herwig Weigl's information regarding this period is absolutely fascinating. I'm personally interested because art historians have from time to time sniffed around the many 'Islamic-looking' motifs in some English c14 architecture (I can't comment on the rest of Europe). Most have gone away deciding the scent was either too faint to follow or a false trail, but any hard information regarding awareness of or contact with or attitudes to Islamic cultures at that period remains of interest. Talking of c14 English design, I hope Herwig Weigl knows Bishop Martival's tomb, a fine work from a most fascinating period, in Salisbury Cathedral. I stumbled on the Prior's Qu'ran in the following place: DODWELL, B., 1996 'The Monastic Community' in Atherton, I., Fernie, E., Harper-Bill, C., and Hassell-Smith, ., Norwich Cathedral: Church, City and Diocese 1096-1996 London: Hambledon Press. The reference can be found somewhere between pp 236 and 255: sorry, I don't have a more exact page number for this noted. Hopefully footnotes will lead V K Inman to a documentary source. I thank you both for fascinating replies (further discussion of course welcome!). Jon Cannon -----Original Message----- From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Herwig Weigl Sent: 03 December 2005 16:16 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] Islam in Europe medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > >>Please be careful regarding "cross-fertilisation". >> >> >WHY? other than all scholarship should be careful, is there any particular >reason this matter of investigation requires a special warning? > not the matter of investigation but the interpretation of the remarkable fact that the prior of Norwich owned a copy of Qu'ran. >Which means that by 1312 European scholars in general knew that the Jews and >Arabs had manuscripts of particular value. Islamic influence in Europe must be significant at this point to warrant the establishment of 'Chairs.' > The intention is clearly stated: not interest in Islam, but getting better means to convert Muslims. Maybe we just have a different understanding of "cross-fertilisation". >The study of Islamic influences in Europe is and integral part of medieval >studies without which the study of medieval Europe is incomplete. > No doubt about this, and no doubt that there was cross-fertilisation but I think there are better proofs for it - you have listed some of them - than the prior's book. yours, h.w. ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html