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I agree with all of the below... the score settling is a shame, but probably predictable. I'm a bit perplexed about the homophobia thing - also seems like the filter isn't bouncing messages, just putting them on a watch? I'm not actually getting the JISC messages about this... And - I did mean I would co-author you, but that sending it from my email address might take the personal angle out a bit (sorry just re read my email and that was not clear - was in the middle of our nightly three hour crying baby stint and not being that clear) ... wouldn't dream of flying solo on list moderation or any of our other joint endeavours...

Dear Rebekah,

I have now had three messages from webshield about three different 'problematic' words which have been picked up. To try to avoid activating it again by what I write I will se circumlocution . . . one referred to the original phrase using sexual slang to tell me to get lost, one referred to excrement and one to female homosexuality. I read the first two (both contributed by Smail) but did not read the last one and am wondering what is going one . . . whilst nothing may be amiss I am alert to offensive homophobia. Have you any idea about this?

Re your draft it might be worth thinking through whether we are worried about more swear words or about offence / disrespect. Homophobia is unacceptable whether it is expressed using swear words or not. Also I am not convinced that telling a fellow list member to get lost is acceptable netiquette though it does no deploy expletives.

Something else to think about - but perhaps do nothing about yet - is what to do if it seems the list is being used to (try to) settle scores arising from outside the list. Smail's second posting was almost copy and pasted from things he has written before about Isaac Prilleltensky and is in the context of a recent conference where his own status as critical guru was challenged. The hostility at MMU between the community and the critical camps means it is hard to see Mark's posting as other than a pot shot at Ian Parker and now by association Paul.

Re who sends the message, I take your point about me replying implying a personal angle as I was the one to whom the first phrase was directed and think it best if you are willing to send an agreed message. However also I am a co moderator of the list and would prefer to be included into the message as a co-author. So unless you persuade me otherwise, I would prefer you to post a message agreed by the 2 of us as co-moderators

What do you think?

David

Hi David,

Was good to see you today - it was quite energy raising chatting with
Cathy - and I thought you were on good form too!

netiquette... I think I should send a message about it, as the f word
was sent in your direction and it might take more meaning than it
should to tell people to go easy on the language. I would probably
send something like...

Great to see the discussion - one thing to bear in mind is that using
swear words activates a filter on JISC, who run this discussion list
service. This means that messages containing swear words might not
reach the list, and that is out of our control as moderators. I am
assuming it is a function that helps keep us free from explicit spam.
So... keep this in mind for messages you write or for messages you
reply to (which may still have a swear word in the original content).

what do you think...

r

Quoting David Fryer <[log in to unmask]>:

> Rebekah
> What do you think about me posting the following on the list?
> David
>
> Dear All,
>
> We do not wish to censor discussion. However our list is not immune
> to outside surveillance and interference. A list member used a word
> earlier which was picked up automatically by JISCMAIL software, which
> is beyond the control of the list moderators (Rebekah and David F).
> We received the following message
>
> Network Associates WebShield SMTP V4.5 MR1a on cddps-webshield
> intercepted a mail
> from <[log in to unmask]> which caused the Content
> Filter sexual to
> be triggered.
>
>
>
> Our concern is that if you reply to or forward the message containing
> the word which has triggered webshield that message may be
> intercepted and we may all lose an important contribution to debate.
>
> It might be worth considering what is to be gained by directing terms
> at other list members which will be intercepted by webshield as
> offensive
>
> David and Rebekah
>
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