Caroline Tully writes: > <SNIPS> > Let me explain for northern hemisphere readers: The traditional (northern > hemisphere) attributions of the elements to the cardinal points are well > known: Earth = North, Air = East, Fire = South, Water = West. These > elemental attributions are based on the movement of the sun through the > northern hemisphere sky - when facing east in the northern hemisphere, the > sun rises and travels through the sky slightly to the right of someone > standing there watching. This is where we get the idea of moving "deosil" or > clockwise - following the sun. The sun reaches its zenith in the southern > part of the sky before sinking in the west and therefore, in the northern > hemisphere, south is considered the direction of fire. <SNIPS> I have been a practicing astrologer and astral magician for 35 years, and can vouch for the tenacity of the attributions given above among the various communities I have been acquainted with in Manhattan [ Wicca, OTO, GD, &tc. ]. These attributions have absolutely nothing to do with my practice, which is based on my study of Ptolemaic astrologies and grimoiric literature. Classical astrology arises primarily from the fact of the turning seasons, and not from astronomical concerns - which is why Ptolemy and Aristotle employ Empedocles' qualities and elements when discussing astrology to begin with. Spring will always be of Air, and Sanguine. Autumn, Melancholic and Earthy. Summer and Winter will be Fiery/Choleric and Watery/Phlegmatic, respectively. And these facts will obtain regardless of where the constellation of Aries gambols off to. Here are the attributions I employ: SEASONAL/HUMORAL/ELEMENTAL/DIRECTIONAL ATTRIBUTIONS: 1.) SPRING/ BLOOD/ AIR/ EAST 2.) SUMMER/ CHOLER/ FIRE/ SOUTH 3.) FALL/ MELANCHOLY/ EARTH/ WEST 4.) WINTER/ PHLEGM/ WATER/ NORTH A.) AIR = WARM & LESS MOIST B.) FIRE = HOTTEST & MOST DRY C.) EARTH = LESS DRY & COOL D.) WATER = COLDEST & MOST WET These are the attributions found in Hippocrates, Aristotle, Galen, Avicenna, Al-Biruni, Ficino, Agrippa, &tc... This particular ordering of the elements, which assigns the seasons to the directions, is based on the 'Rotation of the Elements' - the notion that, as one season passes to the next, it 'hands off' one elemental quality, and 'takes up' another one; for example, Spring leaves off Moisture and becomes Dry on the way to becoming Summer. The model I'm discussing has to do with Phases of energy - it is like paper/scissors/stone, or the Pa Kua. Think about the four seasons, with the 2 solstices and 2 equinoxes, as Stations of the day. You have the Dusk/Dawn meridian as well as the Midnight/Noon meridian. The Dusk/Dawn meridian corresponds to Fall and Spring, the 'Twilight' times of November Eve and May Eve. And then the Midnight/Noon meridian parallels Winter and Summer. In this model the year resembles a day, Writ Large. This page sums it up: Greek Elements http://tinyurl.com/bg639 Among practitioners of astral magic, the attribution of the Directions to the Elements is not thought of as referring to Signs or Planets that are in One Forever Fixed Position. With all the usual disclaimers about Wide Generalization, what we're talking about is the 'Window Frame' of the Horizon. This 'Frame' is composed of the points of Rising, 'Nooning' [ the 'Medium Coeli' / Middle Sky ], the Setting, and the 'Midnighting' below the horizon - what folks sometimes think of as a point directly beneath their feet. This 'Window Frame' is what astrologers refer to as the 'Houses'. Since the Houses are based on the local horizon, they are the Fixed reference system for observing the Travellers as they move from Sign to Sign. In the older, square-looking charts, it's easier to see the four Triplicities tucked up into their respective angles, waiting to be determined by the data. Nowadays, we have circular charts. One of the reasons a 'magic circle' comes in so handy, is the possibility of marking planetary & stellar positions along the rising/setting arc as you face north in the southern hemisphere. Of course, you could likewise face in a southerly direction to 'observe' planets and stars located Below the horizon, but Generally one observes planets at rising, setting, and at the Midheaven - a planets 'noon'. That 'noon' is called it's 'culmination', when it's as high in the sky as it's likely to get. This time around, anyway. Thus the mention of a planets 'Altitude' in some of the grimoires - they're talking about the Elevation above the horizon, what we refer to these days as 'Ascension' or 'Declination'. The elements turn up in Greek Philosophy as Types of Energy at least as much as they do as 'elements' in the sense of Types of Atoms. And, as Types of Energy, we're concerned not with what they are so much as with what they DO - with Function, and with Energetics. If anything, this elemental stuff is more like a pre-scientific pseudophysical prototypical Wave Theory than an Atomic Theory. Polarities suggest a Field, and involve wave-motion through a continuum. That's what al-Kindi was up to, with his 'De Radiis'. Seismographs, magnetic compasses, and tables of the ocean tides all demonstrate a familiarity with the 'field paradigm'. Oscillations of heat and moisture, of light and motion, wind and stone, dispersion and aggregation - these are part of the 'energy language' found in all the varieties of astrology, which 'organizes medicines and diseases according to prime elements, energies and biological humours'[-David Frawley]. And 'complex position', the idea that some 'thing' is not simply located and bound at a particular point in space, but is distributed among, defined by, and contributes to relationships with every 'thing' else - that a plant or a stone participates in events occurring throughout the universe - that's the basis of astral magic, of alchemy and medicine. Open up your Culpeper - it's in there. That old herbal might not be gathering so much dust if folks had a better grasp of the elemental framework that it was assembled with. Whichever of the arrangements of the elements and directions is best, or correct, depends on your application of the Elemental Qualities. If you experience them as a cyclic organization, where each element is succeeded by the next, then the Humoural sequence is a natural choice. This is not to say that there are no other assignments to be found. I am simply pointing out what looks to me like a spot of Cognitive Dissonance between the contemporary W.E.T. and the Greek/Stoic/Ionian/Unani traditions of astral magic, alchemy, and medicine that said W.E.T. is [supposedly] founded on. I hope that some of this Rummaging About among various Correspondences and Attributions will set a few folks looking into the Consistency [or lack thereof] in the Assignments they employ. If, however, you are employing the Maps provided by your Tradition, then you must own Them as Best. When all is Said and Done, no one 'Corrects' a Tradition. That's what makes it a Tradition. See also: The Hippocratic Corpus http://tinyurl.com/8rwoz Healing http://tinyurl.com/99j62 Adam McLean's Alchemy site: http://tinyurl.com/2j4vp Pre-Socratics http://tinyurl.com/dg5sf Humoural Pathology http://tinyurl.com/anwsg Porta's 'Natural Magick' http://tinyurl.com/clr5c Unani Medicine http://tinyurl.com/9fedq UNANI MEDICINE http://tinyurl.com/9zn2p Four seasons chess http://tinyurl.com/9mbel "As its name implies, the game is a competition between four players, each representing one of the seasons. Moreover, each player's colour represents one of the four elements and a humour. Green represents spring, air, and blood; Red represents summer, fire, and choler; Black represents autumn, earth, and melancholy; White represents winter, water, and phlegm." Farmer's Chess [four seasons variant] http://tinyurl.com/azham The History Of Chess http://tinyurl.com/9p2nz List of the works commissioned by Alfonso X, el Sabio http://tinyurl.com/b2sy3 The Picatrix: Lunar Mansions in Western Astrology http://tinyurl.com/a6m52 --oO0Oo-- Cors in Manu Domine, ~ Khem Caigan <[log in to unmask]>