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Although a lot see this is as an area ripe for integration, I think Jem raised a very good point, namely that the mechanics aren't always fully aware of the importance of the SRS and it's data to the entire institution. Alistair -- Alistair Young Senior Software Engineer UHI@Sabhal Mòr Ostaig Isle of Skye Scotland > This is such an interesting area, and I'm both reassured and > disappointed that the present situation in FE/HE is no different from > how it is in schools. > > Becta are now pressing for interoperability between MIS and VLEs, and > this is, I believe, going to be part of the forthcoming rewrite of the > learning platform conformance regime. I'm not sure exactly what they'll > mean by interoperability though, probably something less than the > read/write access you and I are both looking for. > > With an open source VLE, there's nothing to stop a competent MIS > programmer coding the stuff to get things in and out, and rumour has it > some of the commercial houses are working on this for Moodle in schools. > And there's an embryonic schoolforge-uk project to try and do much same > in an open way - see > http://www.schoolforge.org.uk/index.php/Management_Information_and_Administration_Systems > I don't suppose there's any open source MIS used in HE/FE is there? > > It's also worth reading the Becta report on "School MIS and value for > money" > (http://www.becta.org.uk/corporate/publications/documents/mis_%20report(revised-for-web).pdf) > - apparently things at the moment are 'suboptimal'! Becta are pressing > for interoperability here, with a UK version of the Schools > Interoperability Framework - see http://www.sifinfo.org/ > > Miles Berry > Deputy Head > St Ives School, Haslemere > www.stiveshaslemere.com > > > > Ken Smith wrote: >> Back in 2002 Jisc ran a project to evaluate the possibilities of full 2 >> way, real time, integration of VLEs and MI systems. The Idea was to >> make >> a true managed learning environment with admin staff being able to >> interrogate the VLE via their MI system and teaching staff being able to >> check student records(lateness, abscence etc) via the VLE. The result >> of >> the trial, according to the JISC, report was a qualified success. >> However, annecdotal evidence from the people who took part in the trial >> says that it was an unmittigated disaster. Apparently even systems >> supplied by the same company could not be made to talk to each other >> without a huge chunk of middleware being written. >> >> I have heard nothing about progress in his area since that time so what >> I >> want to know is: >> Does anyone know of a virtual learning environment which provides that >> level of 2 way, real time integration with a MI System? and if so what >> is >> the VLE? what is the MI system ? and are bolt on goodies required to >> make >> it work? >> >> I do know that there are systems which will enrol students and set up >> and >> populate courses using MIS data but does anyone go further than that? >> >> ***************** List information: ***************** >> Remember - replies go by default to the entire list. >> Access the list via the web on http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/vle.html >> To unsubscribe, email [log in to unmask] with the message: leave >> vle >> >> > > ***************** List information: ***************** > Remember - replies go by default to the entire list. > Access the list via the web on http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/vle.html > To unsubscribe, email [log in to unmask] with the message: leave vle > ***************** List information: ***************** Remember - replies go by default to the entire list. Access the list via the web on http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/vle.html To unsubscribe, email [log in to unmask] with the message: leave vle